Election Reform

JohnnyRingo

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93. Our system has oversight

Reply to questionseverything (Reply #61)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 01:11 AM

Apr 2016

Each precinct is manned by four workers, two from each party. We take the responsibility seriously and keep a close tab on vote count. The tally has to match in three different ways or workers stay until they find out why not.

After the machines are returned to the BOE by one worker from each party they are uploaded to the main database. The paper trail arrives separately in locked steel boxes with security tags and stored under lock & key for two years. If there's reason to suspect foul play, those printed tallies can be compared to the count on the corresponding machine. At that point any discrepancy can be tracked to the source because people sign off on every single thing they do. No one touches a machine without signing for it.

I don't know how anything can be more secure, certainly not the old punchcards or the older mechanical booths from the '50s & '60s.

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Show Me The Source Code Or Throw The Voting Machines Out!!!!! [View all] scottie55 Apr 2016 OP

I say just throw them out, period. There are better ways. Ones in which people silvershadow Apr 2016 #1

YES! haikugal Apr 2016 #4

We have to fight for this. We don't currently have a fair democracy. nt stillwaiting Apr 2016 #15

What better methods would you suggest? metroins Apr 2016 #52

Yes workers can cheat. zeemike Apr 2016 #60

Pair Republican counters with Democratic counters... Thespian2 Apr 2016 #87

I would add: bvar22 Apr 2016 #121

Well if I were designing it myself. zeemike Apr 2016 #128

Why just retired people? druidity33 Apr 2016 #129

To add some importance to the job. zeemike Apr 2016 #130

I can't endorse "closed doors". bvar22 Apr 2016 #131

Not sealed off or hidden from view zeemike Apr 2016 #134

In most nations, our included, the ballots are counted AFTER the poll closes. bvar22 Apr 2016 #139

Well that is a good point. zeemike Apr 2016 #143

The more complex, the easier it is to make it close enough annabanana Apr 2016 #132

Exactly.n/t zeemike Apr 2016 #135

Depends on who controls kacekwl Apr 2016 #82

. merrily Apr 2016 #2

India Voting LiberalArkie Apr 2016 #3

I Bet They Are Open Source And Verifiable Right? Yallow Apr 2016 #6

I read several years ago about a system they had developed at a university there. LiberalArkie Apr 2016 #10

A first-year high school computer science student SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #24

Those machines were designed from the git go to be hacked. That is the only way they would have been LiberalArkie Apr 2016 #29

I completely agree. HAVA was a huge scam. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #44

And you need to see the ballot definition file for every election. Wilms Apr 2016 #5

It Needs To Do Multiple Backups During The Process So Tampering Can Be Spotted Yallow Apr 2016 #7

Not sure. Wilms Apr 2016 #11

At any time the congress could have mandated secure voting machines (it would be easy to do) LiberalArkie Apr 2016 #8

The ghost of Andy Stephenson agrees. truedelphi Apr 2016 #19

If the revolution can continue long enough to get some people in congress. If the old Occupy LiberalArkie Apr 2016 #25

Right You Are! Each month, there are 360,000,000 transactions processed by ATM truedelphi Apr 2016 #33

People have never demanded it. There are federal laws about accuracy with financial transactions LiberalArkie Apr 2016 #42

Taking a receipt home does no good to ensure accuracy JohnnyRingo Apr 2016 #47

If people insist on machines, that sounds good. nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #77

I miss him annabanana Apr 2016 #136

bullshit - this is one party doing this crap - republicans certainot Apr 2016 #84

Someone Might Vote The Corrupt Assholes Out Yallow Apr 2016 #9

Voting in the U.S. is one big joke. nt valerief Apr 2016 #12

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ n/t truedelphi Apr 2016 #34

do you think these voting machines are also the reason Obama won twice? La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #13

Lol, I bet you think Bush won fairly. nt phazed0 Apr 2016 #14

the second time around he did. La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #17

Second time not so much either. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #22

No, I think Obama had such a huge majority SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #23

Exactly. In 2008, he had huge crossover voter appeal. truedelphi Apr 2016 #35

As I understand it ... aggiesal Apr 2016 #62

Yeah, that too. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #75

obama knew from the beginning questionseverything Apr 2016 #56

Yep. I remember that. nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #76

I think ACT and SAT fill in the circles PatrynXX Apr 2016 #16

You know how they count those? JohnnyRingo Apr 2016 #43

You realize that NY used verifiable paper ballots, right? n/t pnwmom Apr 2016 #18

this does not fit the narrative, so the reality is rejected. La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #20

? scottie55 Apr 2016 #30

the optical scans can be rigged too questionseverything Apr 2016 #58

The OP may be in response to NY (I have no idea) SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #26

In New York 126,000 voters 14% of all Democrats in Brooklyn were purged. That's no accident. think Apr 2016 #31

Thank you for pointing out some most important information truedelphi Apr 2016 #39

A Republican elections office person has been suspended and an investigation is ongoing. pnwmom Apr 2016 #40

You realize that unlike more progressive Calif, where a person can still truedelphi Apr 2016 #36

They could have voted for their hearts desire if they had registered last October, since he pnwmom Apr 2016 #41

Supposedly, the Democratic Party wants to reach out... earthmanneil Apr 2016 #67

I didn't, but that's why suppression is important. roody Apr 2016 #53

Do they use optical scanners to count votes, or do they hand count? n/t Bodych Apr 2016 #54

Yes. Should have been done years ago. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #21

The legacy of SCOTUS and the GWB selection rolls on, doesn't it? nt. silvershadow Apr 2016 #27

I Guess I Am Not The Only One That Knows/Thinks Elections Are Fixed scottie55 Apr 2016 #28

what WILL it take to get people to act on this??? Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #32

How do we even know Sanders supporters didn't hack Michigan HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #37

How about going higher Tech instead? Amimnoch Apr 2016 #38

Internet Voting scottie55 Apr 2016 #57

no that's no good - that means if there's a problem every one certainot Apr 2016 #85

Am I recalling correctly that Diebold said they couldn't generate a receipt? paparush Apr 2016 #122

I believe the voting machines in Ohio are accurate. JohnnyRingo Apr 2016 #45

Well they stole Ohio in 2004 Pharaoh Apr 2016 #49

Those were different machines JohnnyRingo Apr 2016 #55

Strickland Was Beyond Evil scottie55 Apr 2016 #59

He's running for senator in Ohio to replace Rob Portman JohnnyRingo Apr 2016 #91

foolish to trust any system we the people cannot personally oversee questionseverything Apr 2016 #61

Our system has oversight JohnnyRingo Apr 2016 #93

while making sure the "output" the machine spits out is possible, not reporting more votes than questionseverything Apr 2016 #108

We have a sign in book JohnnyRingo Apr 2016 #111

you keep referring to making the count match how many voted, which is ONE step questionseverything Apr 2016 #114

The paper trail is the verification of machine count JohnnyRingo Apr 2016 #115

please provide a link to the state board of elections that shows questionseverything Apr 2016 #116

I do it myself JohnnyRingo Apr 2016 #125

i knew no human actually counted the vote...just wanted you to admit it ,thanks questionseverything Apr 2016 #140

Any system can be defrauded to an extent... JohnnyRingo Apr 2016 #141

questionseverything Apr 2016 #142

All the main touchscreen machine types and the Diebold Optical Scans have been hacked in tests. Hacking_Democracy Aug 2016 #145

Ohio uses three different companies to record our votes. JohnnyRingo Aug 2016 #146

All insiders with access can change the electronic votes, not just the voting machine companies. Hacking_Democracy Aug 2016 #147

Paper ballots Pharaoh Apr 2016 #64

Me either. nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #78

I'm guessing you just patented purple ink remover JohnnyRingo Apr 2016 #94

They tried to steal it in 2012 as well dflprincess Apr 2016 #65

Ohio voting machines are not connected to the internet JohnnyRingo Apr 2016 #92

it was the reporting website that they tried to cover with a "mirror" website with a different questionseverything Apr 2016 #109

Thank you dflprincess Apr 2016 #144

just have elections by a DMV thumb-print app on your phone veronique25 Apr 2016 #46

We are not screwed Pharaoh Apr 2016 #48

proprietary code serves a rigged system The Wizard Apr 2016 #50

100% NT northernsouthern Apr 2016 #51

It's the optical scanners and central tabulators doing the dirty work... Bodych Apr 2016 #63

At least there are marked ballots that could be reviewed. paparush Apr 2016 #123

Paper ballots, hand counted, in public, cameras rolling, nothing less. Scuba Apr 2016 #66

You got it :-) n/t Bodych Apr 2016 #68

Yep. nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #74

That's a real election, a fair had honest election. Bingo!! nt 99th_Monkey Apr 2016 #81

Print the ballots SCVDem Apr 2016 #69

Yeah! Pharaoh Apr 2016 #70

excellent cannabinoid idea, but... veronique25 Apr 2016 #95

K&R. Please don't forget to... Mr_Jefferson_24 Apr 2016 #71

Did not know this group existed. This primary is so rigged. It is very obvious for who. bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #72

Oh my! SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #79

K&R. Yes please! Overseas Apr 2016 #73

Kicked and recommended to the Max! Enthusiast Apr 2016 #80

In India and other countries with parliamentary systems, voters don't choose candidates eridani Apr 2016 #83

It makes me wonder why our elections costs so much money. midnight Apr 2016 #86

I think paper ballot with counting at each precinct is THE only way to go. MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #88

"It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide ish of the hammer Apr 2016 #89

Yes, we could be screwed. And our media ignores it. CaptainTruth Apr 2016 #90

Recall Election Fraud in Wisconsin? You Betcha! red dog 1 Apr 2016 #96

The mere fact that the source code is proprietary is suspicious ToxMarz Apr 2016 #97

But... WHAT'S INSIDE THAT iPHONE ?! TELL ME; WHAT'S INSIDE THAT iPHONE King_Klonopin Apr 2016 #98

Bern it Down! nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #99

But, here in America- "I want the results NOW!!!" stlsaxman Apr 2016 #100

I believe if we polled Americans and asked them if they could wait until the next day stillwaiting Apr 2016 #101

The NETWORKS want the results NOW. paparush Apr 2016 #124

There is no reason there would be delays LiberalLovinLug Apr 2016 #126

i have an indian friend that brags to me about being apart of a democracy retrowire Apr 2016 #102

Exactly! We have more protections in Las Vegas!! ViseGrip Apr 2016 #103

Some interesting pro and con opinions elljay Apr 2016 #104

Didn't happen the first time; won't happen this time either. closeupready Apr 2016 #105

USA is looking pretty damned silly right about now KPN Apr 2016 #106

Paper ballots Plucketeer Apr 2016 #107

And people think that by just talking about it, Madmiddle Apr 2016 #110

Yep. Kurovski Apr 2016 #112

Slot Machines vs Voting Machines benld74 Apr 2016 #113

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Apr 2016 #117

I Used to Be a Government Programmer Leith Apr 2016 #118

Your response should be its own OP d_legendary1 Apr 2016 #120

If we can't throw out the computers ... november3rd Apr 2016 #119

Bingo. This would solve a lot of problems. nt. Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #138

YES Angry Dragon Apr 2016 #127

+10000000 colsohlibgal Apr 2016 #133

If my grocery store can give me Marthe48 Apr 2016 #137

agree clarkkentvotes Sep 2016 #148

DARPA funded Opensource voting software and hardware Luvapottamus Mar 2019 #149