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Bill Bored

(5,472 posts)
11. Why no Greatest Page presence for this group? Is it because it's not a "forum?"
Wed Dec 21, 2011, 02:43 PM
Dec 2011

And will our discussions appear in search engine results? They used to.

It's not surprising that there is going to be less exposure by design now: when this group was a forum, it was seen by DU management as conspiracy theorizing. This does not apply to all posts by all members, but management probably felt that election fraud was too difficult to prove with certainty. With current voting tech and election laws, I tend to agree. Even states with paper ballots don't count them by hand to any great extent; a number of different courts have said not to -- not just SCOTUS (Bush v. Gore).

I wouldn't try to censor discussion but given the difficulty of proving vote-counting fraud, some of the discussion can get a bit old. For example, there was no consensus that poll results proved vote switching occurred on a large scale, but this debate dragged on and on until someone got banned (not sure why that happened exactly, but it did have the effect of freeing up the forum for other discussions).

If we had a host, would this make a difference? Could a host appeal to management and ask for the group to become a forum, or otherwise become less obscure?

We face huge difficulties in achieving vote-count integrity given current technology. It may get worse before it gets WORSE if Internet voting takes off. But the bait and switch that paper ballots (counted mostly by computers) have become should also be exposed. There is a huge amount of misunderstanding about this, even among participants on the ER forum, when it was a forum.

I don't think a host is essential and if the forum is doomed to obscurity by design anyway -- host or no host -- it won't matter.

FWIW, I've seen you try to moderate discussions fairly in the past, Melissa G. So I'd have no problem with you hosting this group.

I post this because someone suggested I host. Melissa G Dec 2011 #1
Not sure that one is needed. livvy Dec 2011 #2
Thanks for your input, livvy. Melissa G Dec 2011 #3
I think that the random jury selection is a great improvement over the old DU. Richard Charnin Dec 2011 #4
I'm not opposed to deferring consideration of a host, Melissa G Dec 2011 #5
Sorry, the transporter broke down. EFerrari Dec 2011 #6
Thanks for the vote of confidence. Melissa G Dec 2011 #7
It doesn't make sense to me, anyway, to forgo the tools a host would have EFerrari Dec 2011 #8
Sounds like you think a host would be a good idea. Melissa G Dec 2011 #9
Exactly. EFerrari Dec 2011 #10
Why no Greatest Page presence for this group? Is it because it's not a "forum?" Bill Bored Dec 2011 #11
Thanks for chiming in BB, I appreciate your support. Melissa G Dec 2011 #12
I've been spending a lot more time @dailyKos as of late FogerRox Dec 2011 #13
Thanks for the info, Foger! Melissa G Dec 2011 #14
Yes. a host might be a good idea. Maybe 3 at election time. Kurovski Dec 2011 #15
Thank you, Mr K. Melissa G Dec 2011 #16
I think hosting is a good idea. Wilms Dec 2011 #17
Thanks, Wilms. Melissa G Dec 2011 #18
Election reform and integrity is too important to place a filter on the forum L. Coyote Jan 2012 #19
Thanks for your post! Melissa G Jan 2012 #20
will go along with othersbut just don't like NEW DU WillYourVoteBCounted Jan 2012 #21
Thanks for your input. Melissa G Jan 2012 #22
Some thoughts re- to host or not to host: snot Feb 2012 #23
Melissa G would fit that bill exactly. EFerrari Mar 2012 #24
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