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freshwest

(53,661 posts)
16. Because they have confused libertarianism with liberalism. The LP and Paulies are using that tack.
Thu Aug 15, 2013, 01:15 AM
Aug 2013
For them, liberalism in all its forms is anathema and the Democratic Party and Obama in particular are the greatest obstacle to their taking control of this country.



Does a liberal, as most of the self-proclaimed uber lefties, ignore women, minority and voting rights?

You will never hear a peep on that. Examples of core differences follow and why anyone who claims they are liberal and PBO is not are not being honest. When they claim that Libertarians like Rand, Greenwald and Snowden are the real Liberals, ask them these questions, and you will have your answer:

Is taking down the federal government, not paying taxes, following the Tenther Movement and 2nd Amendment Solution crowd a liberal value?

I say no, we believe in working in government to stop oppressive actions and we believe in paying for it, and do not believe in States Rights or the Tenther Movement that would deny human rights accrding to the whims of regressive state legislatures who don't believe in the supremacy of the US Constituion over their local laws. We hold that the government of the USA is what we make it and made to serve all of us equally, no matter what the powerful say it should. We do not want to see our nation devolved into fifty different fiefdoms run by the richest, establishing conditions better suited to the plantation system.

Is getting rid of all the New Deal programs, a liberal value?

And except to complain, do such ever really want to work to keep the social safety net, help for the poor, elderly and sick; do or do they want the end of the public schools, parks, hospitals, healthcare, the regulation of banks and businesses; are ending the rights of labor like child labor, sweat shops, and a minimum wage; standing by while the rights of women, minortiies and emigrants are attacked a liberal value?


No, destroying those are clearly libertarian values.

Is constantly attacking the Democratic Party and its officials, demeaning those who work for change by using it as a platform, but ignoring the Republican obsructionism and blatant theft of rights across this country, even of freedom of the body and mind, and saying that voting does no good, the government is a complete evil to be eliminated, that both parties are the same, and every public service from the police and fire department, postal service are all out to steal freedom and kill us. that schools are there to indoctrinate us, are those liberal values?

I say, no, they are all the values of the Libertarian, JBS, and Tea Party. If these people claiming they are the true liberals, they have decided that liberal means liberty and libertarianism and the kind of liberalism of the Democratic Party is a scam. I assure you, it is not a scam nor is it dead.

Many think extreme comments get more attention. DCBob Aug 2013 #1
It's about the time. If General Eisenhower were President now, he would be middle to center right. BlueJazz Aug 2013 #2
As he was when he was elected. Eisenhower was no political ideologue in any sense. Ikonoklast Aug 2013 #62
because they are spoild ninnies who have no clue. Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #3
+1 freshwest Aug 2013 #41
I am guessing you are young Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #69
President Obama chooses the people he thinks are the best Cha Aug 2013 #70
He's an institutional conservative leveymg Aug 2013 #4
Hi Leveymg, sheshe2 Aug 2013 #13
Trolling mwrguy Aug 2013 #5
Bullshit. Democrats are free to criticize from the Left. That's not trolling or even trollish. leveymg Aug 2013 #7
Yeah, you're free to "criticize" President Obama.. all over Cha Aug 2013 #12
Of course...coming to the BOG to bash Obama is not trolling, right? SunSeeker Aug 2013 #17
Have you ever wondered Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #18
And yet … 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #29
And there are those that troll safe haven groups. JTFrog Aug 2013 #21
Maybe you can understand this comparison: IrishAyes Aug 2013 #34
I am guessing you are a recent Democrat or... Notafraidtoo Aug 2013 #6
Because it makes them Cha Aug 2013 #8
+1 JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #20
.. Cha Aug 2013 #23
If Lincoln ran today ... zbdent Aug 2013 #9
Reality Robbins Aug 2013 #10
Labels! They love throwing those out. sheshe2 Aug 2013 #11
Because Obama dennis4868 Aug 2013 #14
Because ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #15
uh... IrishAyes Aug 2013 #35
LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #36
Because they have confused libertarianism with liberalism. The LP and Paulies are using that tack. freshwest Aug 2013 #16
^^^^^ hopemountain Aug 2013 #31
I would be happy to debate this point with you vigorously outside the confines of this safe harbor DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #37
Well, you fully understand that GD is the place for that. IrishAyes Aug 2013 #42
KUDOS to you! IrishAyes Aug 2013 #43
I want to take that post and beat people over the head with it. Ikonoklast Aug 2013 #63
Purported leftists can't wrap their minds around pragmatic liberals. BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #19
Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #22
I thnk we have a good example of this.. with the post Cha Aug 2013 #24
Right In_The_Wind Aug 2013 #25
They have been buying the Ron Paul, Libertarian, Teabagger kool-aid, themselves: freshwest Aug 2013 #28
Exactly, thank you, freshwest! We're the Party of Common Sense Progressive Cha Aug 2013 #30
Because they're wrong. bravenak Aug 2013 #26
hard to answer in BOG zipplewrath Aug 2013 #27
He wasn't asking you.. he was asking BOG members. Cha Aug 2013 #40
Okay, but.... zipplewrath Aug 2013 #46
No worries.. we have your number after all these years. Cha Aug 2013 #53
Are you insinuating IrishAyes Aug 2013 #44
No zipplewrath Aug 2013 #45
And you couldn't give the rest of us - including the OP - credit for already knowing that? IrishAyes Aug 2013 #47
Wow, touched a nerve zipplewrath Aug 2013 #48
If you play golf like a demented traffic cop, IrishAyes Aug 2013 #49
Too late to "mind your manners".. Cha Aug 2013 #56
This is the Barack Obama Group for members only. End of story. Cha Aug 2013 #54
As a long time, and pretty good golfer ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #66
Duh Doctor_J Aug 2013 #50
Perhaps Jamaal is perfectly capable IrishAyes Aug 2013 #58
Because Fox News uses the phrase "center right" all the time. freshwest Aug 2013 #32
The only reason you're confused IrishAyes Aug 2013 #33
+1,000 freshwest Aug 2013 #38
Part of it is a combination of rising expectations and pent up demand from years of frustration. grantcart Aug 2013 #39
Agreed; but it seems … 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #67
Well, the Affordable Care Act is essentially the 1993 Republican Healthcare Plan. Agnosticsherbet Aug 2013 #51
Going in with a 'center left" solution wouldn't have passed.. Cha Aug 2013 #52
Which makes his signature achievement center right and Obama Center Right on healthcare. Agnosticsherbet Aug 2013 #55
Bullshit. Only to those who don't get it. Cha Aug 2013 #57
And tell them ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #59
Hey.. I read reports that actually PBO is quite strong with "Liberals" which Cha Aug 2013 #60
LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #61
Well … 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #68
What part of this is a safe haven for those who support President Coolest Ranger Aug 2013 #64
Hey Coolest Ranger.. Cha Aug 2013 #65
My my, you sure were busy yesterday! sheshe2 Aug 2013 #71
Re: Jamal Coolest Ranger Aug 2013 #72
Because it is a lazy, easy, slur designed to denigrate his Democratic credentials. Hekate Aug 2013 #73
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