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DirkGently

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32. The government lied about Vietnam. Leakers & journalists
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 08:30 AM
Aug 2013

and protesters dragged the information out, created an outcry, and ended it.

Do you think that was an isolated incident?

Democracy, representative, direct, or otherwise, does NOT function by voters silently assenting to whatever their elected representatives decide. It never has, and it never will.

Anyone who is heeding that approach is just ceding the field to others. When does the oil lobby sit back and trust in the wisdom of government? When do defense contractors go silent and nod approvingly at whatever Congress decides?

The quieter WE are, the louder all of those other voices become. In the absence of speech and pressure and complaint from the public, you get corporatocracy, because monied interests are NEVER silent.

This is why LBJ told MLK to "make him" pass the Civil Rights Act.

Obama, by the way, has made similar exhortations to the people to hold his feet to the fire. When the actual fire meets the actual feet, he may feel differently, but as a statesman he understands the concept as well.

Political impetus for change does not begin and end with representatives' own initiatives. They don't even write legislation for the most part. It comes to them from interest groups. So if groups are not representing your needs and your vision, you can be damn sure it's going to represent someone else's.

Defense has plenty of secrecy. The fact that it does simply means democracy has a harder time penetrating, because only the most well-connected voices are heard. This is why we outspend the next 10 countries combined in "defense," while our leaders wail that we have no money for healthcare or roads or social safety nets.

Silent democracy is dead democracy.

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We need more Democrats... sometimes they don't vote the way I would prefer. DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #1
All are free to give up critical thinking. David__77 Aug 2013 #2
No one is giving up critical thinking here. sheshe2 Aug 2013 #5
I voted for campaigned for him too. David__77 Aug 2013 #6
Then I thank you and apologize David. sheshe2 Aug 2013 #7
I'm just concerned that things might go off the rails. David__77 Aug 2013 #10
How could you be "surprised that he hasn't already been railroaded out of the presidency."??? sheshe2 Aug 2013 #17
I mean, because of the racist opposition to his presidency. David__77 Aug 2013 #20
Do you not see the folly ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #14
What else do "we" ever have besides partial information? David__77 Aug 2013 #19
How arrogant or ignorant ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #22
OK, and this has nothing to do with the specific presidency in question. David__77 Aug 2013 #23
David, sheshe2 Aug 2013 #28
>sigh< Thank you, she Hekate Aug 2013 #38
Hekate~ sheshe2 Aug 2013 #39
No ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #29
Your snide remarks are NOT welcome here. Isoldeblue Aug 2013 #25
Right there with you, my friend! Just Saying Aug 2013 #3
I am not saying President is perfect but he us doing one helluva job. I am on board to Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #4
Exactly. sheshe2 Aug 2013 #8
Representatives didn't end Vietnam or segregation or DirkGently Aug 2013 #9
I will grant you ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #16
The government lied about Vietnam. Leakers & journalists DirkGently Aug 2013 #32
No one says that. treestar Aug 2013 #37
Or do any of the things you did not agree with treestar Aug 2013 #36
Do you think bombing Syria will help get Dems elected in 2014? (nt) philly_bob Aug 2013 #11
You are responding to a post in the Barack Obama Group. sheshe2 Aug 2013 #15
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+1 JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #33
If I were Sarah, I could say that's a "gotcha' question. Isoldeblue Aug 2013 #26
"i believe we have such a man" Enrique Aug 2013 #12
Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #21
No we do not say that treestar Aug 2013 #35
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Bravo! MarianJack Aug 2013 #13
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Agreed ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #30
Terrific post!!@! Isoldeblue Aug 2013 #27
it happens every time Coolest Ranger Aug 2013 #31
Good point. It is at the point where the ODS is so strong that treestar Aug 2013 #34
Glad they're not in charge of anything.. although, Cha Aug 2013 #40
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