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Barack Obama

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Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
11. No double standard. The President has enormous power to set the agenda.
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 11:55 AM
Jan 2014

A double standard means that people who are similarly situated are treated differently. A President and a Senator aren't similarly situated.

Here's what often happens: The President proposes something. The Congressional leadership of his party honors party loyalty and supports "their" President. The Congressional leadership of the other major party works out their own position. Sometimes there's a vote on a bill that's pretty much what one side wanted, but often what finally emerges is some kind of compromise.

In that scenario, Sanders and Warren have the option of supporting the Obama position, the McConnell/Boehner position, or a compromise. Nothing else is on the table -- because Obama didn't use his office to put anything else on the table.

Take the ACA. Let's not even talk about the obvious sensible approach of single payer. Consider just the far more limited question of a "robust public option" as per Obama's own pronouncements. If he had proposed a bill like that, it might or might not have gotten through, but at least he would have tried. I'm confident that Sanders would have voted against a Republican amendment to strip the public option. (Warren wasn't in the Senate then but she would also do the right thing in such circumstances.)

Once Obama caved on the public option, though, that policy choice wasn't available to Sanders and other progressives. The choice was a flawed ACA that coddled the big, for-profit insurance companies, or preserving the status quo.

It's not at all a double standard to fault Obama for making that the effective choice, while not faulting Sanders for preferring a flawed change over a bad status quo.

The DU double standard... [View all] Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 OP
better than some it seems.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #1
I'm glad we have President Obama right now, DIrish! Cha Jan 2014 #2
+ about a million. Or so!!! BlueMTexpat Jan 2014 #3
Yes, so much to be grateful for, BlueMTexpat.. Cha Jan 2014 #5
Absolutely. BlueMTexpat Jan 2014 #6
You realize I'm gonna steal that altered slogan, don't you? IrishAyes Jan 2014 #19
It's worth Cha Jan 2014 #23
KICK and rec'd. BlueCaliDem Feb 2014 #30
Bingo! ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #39
+10000 Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #51
I agree totally. The other side gives seminars on how to troll. IrishAyes Feb 2014 #64
My intoxicated countryman, that is the political fundamentalist double standard. wyldwolf Jan 2014 #4
+1 Jamaal510 Feb 2014 #25
+2. You're speaking truth to power, wyldwolf. eom BlueCaliDem Feb 2014 #28
Once again JustAnotherGen Jan 2014 #7
Meh. People who spend too much time posting... TreasonousBastard Jan 2014 #8
They don't genuinely support Bernie or Elizabeth treestar Jan 2014 #9
+1 n/t jaysunb Jan 2014 #13
Bingo. IrishAyes Jan 2014 #20
Spot. ON. BlueCaliDem Feb 2014 #29
Ughh.... wow... ughhh.... think Feb 2014 #31
Kick! sheshe2 Jan 2014 #10
No double standard. The President has enormous power to set the agenda. Jim Lane Jan 2014 #11
It is absolutely a double standard... Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #14
You appear to assume that a President and a Senator have equal political power. Jim Lane Jan 2014 #15
I don't assume anything... Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #16
Congress has equal political power treestar Feb 2014 #32
Thank you, treestar.. I just Cha Feb 2014 #70
Hi Cha! treestar Feb 2014 #71
You've apparently failed to understand the difference between a group and a forum. IrishAyes Jan 2014 #21
Question about BOG Jim Lane Jan 2014 #24
Sanders and Warren have to compromise even more treestar Feb 2014 #33
Why are you asking me what a quote from someone else means? Why not ask THAT person? IrishAyes Feb 2014 #34
OK, maybe I'll pursue my question (my actual question) some other day. Jim Lane Feb 2014 #35
Since you're determined to cause dissension, I'll do my best to see that post #35 IrishAyes Feb 2014 #36
My patience is not the best today, push off. Whisp Feb 2014 #37
According to the group's Statement of Purpose, this is "A safe haven for members struggle4progress Feb 2014 #38
In 2014 you can expect an uptick of goon squads. IrishAyes Feb 2014 #65
Thosee goon squads have been a constant feature of DU for years now struggle4progress Feb 2014 #66
They're determined to invade every corner of the world. Harder to get totally rid of IrishAyes Feb 2014 #69
Here's a novel concept ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #40
Even more embarassing is the double standard between Obama and FDR grantcart Jan 2014 #12
Ah yes.. "An alternative view from a “lackey butt-kissing shit” Cha Jan 2014 #17
Small minds are always horrified at bigger ones, aren't they? Poor little babes! IrishAyes Jan 2014 #22
It is a totally double standard. If President Obama walked on water, somebody'd be shouting, IrishAyes Jan 2014 #18
I'd keep laughing JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #27
Another DU double standard: Jamaal510 Feb 2014 #26
Another Double Standard ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #44
True dat. Jamaal510 Feb 2014 #49
I like the one where whatever Obama 'does' get accomplished Whisp Feb 2014 #72
K & R. n/t FSogol Feb 2014 #41
count me out. I rake President Obama over the coals when I believe he deserves it cali Feb 2014 #42
You will convince me that you are something other than a ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #45
I have said positive things about President Obama. cali Feb 2014 #46
Care to post a link ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #48
Classy response. greatauntoftriplets Feb 2014 #54
I can't read intonation, so ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #55
I meant that sincerely. greatauntoftriplets Feb 2014 #56
Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #57
You're very welcome. greatauntoftriplets Feb 2014 #59
I have a friend who's black,,,I have a great gay friend,,,,I voted for Obama once upon a time.. Sheepshank Feb 2014 #50
Whatever cali.. you don't come in the BOG and throw an insult Cha Feb 2014 #52
"full blown OAS"! NYC_SKP Feb 2014 #53
"OAS" ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #60
I've been suffering from chronic OAS for about ten years! NYC_SKP Feb 2014 #61
Don't worry ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #62
So's Cha Feb 2014 #67
But .... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #68
Take your rakes elsewhere, this is a protected group. Whisp Feb 2014 #58
I don't know how people can say Obama compromises with Republicans Rex Feb 2014 #43
They didn't even have to "compromise". OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #47
Could it also be that Bernie and Elizabeth both have very poor tans? IrishAyes Feb 2014 #63
Not only that, when we point this out, we're "tarnishing Warren and Sanders" stevenleser Feb 2014 #73
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