John Kerry

karynnj

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61. It is amazing how some people can not accept any deviation from their own views

Thu Sep 5, 2013, 09:39 PM

Sep 2013

and are willing to rearrange facts to avoid any mixed feelings.

I really wonder why they simply do not disagree with the concept of humanitarian intervention rather than assuming there is a different motivation. (Not to mention allowing them to feel smug because they can say PNAC or oil ) There are many who think that humanitarian intervention is not a good idea in this case (or in some cases, ever). That is a valid opinion that can be debated. It is also reasonable to agree that the humanitarian issue is real, but the likely outcome of doing anything is to make things worse.

Kerry would be the last person to disagree that every diplomatic step should be tried - and he has tried - only to hit brick walls. The UN avenue is essentially blocked by the US.

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I have a number of links on this GD thread re Syria [View all] blm Aug 2013 OP

idiot wingnuts JI7 Aug 2013 #1

Assad was never Kerry's "friend". wisteria Aug 2013 #2

people are stupid, they think foreign policy is like high school cliques JI7 Aug 2013 #3

I think they prove - as BLM has admirably posted - that Kerry karynnj Aug 2013 #7

Good reminder blm Aug 2013 #9

on Anderson Cooper that middle east expert he always has on JI7 Aug 2013 #4

Obama got Kerry to try diplomacy? OMG, does the guy own a calendar? blm Aug 2013 #5

i only heard a part of it, i might have worded it wrong JI7 Aug 2013 #6

Yeah- Kerry developed a diplomatic relationship blm Aug 2013 #8

Well, really DU has gone crazy. Mass Aug 2013 #10

I think President Obama made a great decision... YvonneCa Aug 2013 #11

Oops. I meant not to go to war, not to Congress. Mass Aug 2013 #12

It's Obama Derangement Syndrome at work here Blaukraut Aug 2013 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author politicasista Aug 2013 #14

So What? Mass Aug 2013 #15

This message was self-deleted by its author politicasista Aug 2013 #18

Source, please, because the articles I posted do not say that. Mass Aug 2013 #19

This message was self-deleted by its author politicasista Aug 2013 #21

Kerry is not even quoted in the article. Mass Aug 2013 #22

This message was self-deleted by its author politicasista Aug 2013 #23

What details? Mass Aug 2013 #24

Not much politicasista Aug 2013 #35

CNN and MSNBC shows discussed this all day. One was that general... YvonneCa Aug 2013 #30

Obama didn't even TRUST Clinton with the hot spot regions. blm Aug 2013 #32

This message was self-deleted by its author politicasista Aug 2013 #36

I disagree. SOS Kerry never made a case for not going to Congress. wisteria Aug 2013 #16

This message was self-deleted by its author politicasista Aug 2013 #20

Gee...I don't think Kerry will ever be good enough... blm Aug 2013 #33

This message was self-deleted by its author politicasista Aug 2013 #37

That is exactly what they were doing. Jim.. YvonneCa Aug 2013 #31

This guy? Really? Mass Aug 2013 #34

Actually, this contradicts exactly the assertions of the tweeters Mass Aug 2013 #17

I don't see anyone being hung out to dry by anyone else here, and - no offense... Blaukraut Aug 2013 #25

Ok. politicasista Aug 2013 #38

Correct. There is no danger to Americans or American soil at this time. Obama was kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #27

I hope that something happens that makes the attack not needed karynnj Aug 2013 #28

What worries me is this Mass Aug 2013 #26

I suspect it is because Obama should not be there karynnj Aug 2013 #29

SOS Kerry is making the case for a strike as well as for going to Congress. wisteria Sep 2013 #39

I am so sad. Mass Sep 2013 #40

I've had a longstanding issue with the way he gets used by WH. blm Sep 2013 #41

Agree. n/t wisteria Sep 2013 #42

i think the arguing over "not war" thing is bs, it's clear he means a ground war JI7 Sep 2013 #43

I think you are right karynnj Sep 2013 #44

i agree about needing to discuss the affect we want JI7 Sep 2013 #45

Talking of stupid attack Mass Sep 2013 #46

I am sick of this entire matter. Obama should have just did it, wisteria Sep 2013 #47

Exactly how I feel. Obama kinda has a way of letting this BS happen. blm Sep 2013 #48

Frustrating. n/t wisteria Sep 2013 #49

similar pattern with his appointments MBS Sep 2013 #50

True - I like Obama, but this pattern of never making a crisp, clear decision is harmful karynnj Sep 2013 #51

I think the media are also reacting more positively than I would have thought Mass Sep 2013 #52

This is frustrating karynnj Sep 2013 #54

This whole thing is giving me an... YvonneCa Sep 2013 #53

Great Post. n/t wisteria Sep 2013 #59

If this debacle ends up being John Kerry's legacy as SoS, it will be tragic Blaukraut Sep 2013 #55

The problem with going to the UN is Russia - it will not work even if there were iron clad proof karynnj Sep 2013 #57

WHy can't people be opposed to this without believing all the BS ? JI7 Sep 2013 #56

Unfortunately, no matter what President Obama decides... YvonneCa Sep 2013 #58

I think making a move on Syria will anger many people, wisteria Sep 2013 #60

I wish I could prove you wrong karynnj Sep 2013 #62

DU has become simply anti- authority and anti- government. wisteria Sep 2013 #64

I recognize it - DU seems to have become GD --- with anyone who had more of the GDP orientation karynnj Sep 2013 #69

Yep. Good comments. n/t wisteria Sep 2013 #77

This is the Ron Paul crowd baiting the anti-Obama left... blm Sep 2013 #76

It is amazing how some people can not accept any deviation from their own views karynnj Sep 2013 #61

Agree. The talking heads seem to be moving in on the idea wisteria Sep 2013 #65

Sanctions work only if they are international karynnj Sep 2013 #67

And, that is the problem with most other peaceful solutions. wisteria Sep 2013 #75

A few other thoights on this... YvonneCa Sep 2013 #63

also keep in mind there are a lot of trolls here and all over the internet JI7 Sep 2013 #66

Exactly karynnj Sep 2013 #68

I agree about the... YvonneCa Sep 2013 #72

Yesterday, I was watching an old episode of the West Wing, the laureate poet Mass Sep 2013 #70

West Wing is great. My... YvonneCa Sep 2013 #71

I loved that episode! karynnj Sep 2013 #73

Keyboard policy makers and self-styled experts on any subject Blaukraut Sep 2013 #74

Have you seen the hit piece on Kerry from Reich? wisteria Sep 2013 #78

Sounds like TeamClinton blm Sep 2013 #79

That was what I was thinking. wisteria Sep 2013 #80

I couldn't find the piece you're talking about. blm Sep 2013 #81

This message was self-deleted by its author wisteria Sep 2013 #82

I cannot find the piece, Mass Sep 2013 #84

OK, found it, and I think that, whether it is true or not, Mass Sep 2013 #85

Samantha Powers was also very strong on this karynnj Sep 2013 #88

Reich is a pretty weird character from what I find on google karynnj Sep 2013 #86

I am signing off DU for the time being. wisteria Sep 2013 #83

They would have been picked up any way - that's the way it is now karynnj Sep 2013 #87

they would have found it anyways, but signing off of DU for a while is always JI7 Sep 2013 #89

That has been REAL tempting - however I wonder if all of us karynnj Sep 2013 #90

I am glad you stayed. And I hope... YvonneCa Sep 2013 #91

and you have always been a voice of sanity karynnj Sep 2013 #92

Me,too. n/t YvonneCa Sep 2013 #105

I am going to disagree with you (or at least say this is not what bothers me). Mass Sep 2013 #93

So I am adding this to our old thread so the GD folks don't pounce. beachmom Sep 2013 #94

And now Hillary does have to talk about this, and is endorsing Kerry's ad hoc remark: beachmom Sep 2013 #95

I think the dance was about Russia getting Assad to be where he needed to be blm Sep 2013 #96

So you're of the view that this was a "gaffe" in a LIHOP kind of way? beachmom Sep 2013 #97

I don't think it was a gaffe, at all. Unfortunately, perception generally blm Sep 2013 #98

Well, they are trying to downplay the comment as much as they can. Mass Sep 2013 #99

I hope that there is pressure on Obama to take karynnj Sep 2013 #100

It feels like the POTUS is running with it beachmom Sep 2013 #101

Great catch - karynnj Sep 2013 #103

I think a vote is more important than ever, wisteria Sep 2013 #106

I hope they delay it indefinately karynnj Sep 2013 #109

Ne might also have thought the risk of an imminent attack karynnj Sep 2013 #102

I believe this is just a stall, but if it helps the President wisteria Sep 2013 #104

I think this is still developing - but if it works, it is a fantastic solution karynnj Sep 2013 #107

It is interesting that he spoke with Lavrov and his Syrian counterpart wisteria Sep 2013 #108

2/3rds of the American people are opposed to this potential war beachmom Sep 2013 #110

I am well aware of the opposition to attacking Syria. wisteria Sep 2013 #111

I agree with you karynnj Sep 2013 #112