John Kerry

karynnj

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102. Ne might also have thought the risk of an imminent attack

Mon Sep 9, 2013, 05:27 PM

Sep 2013

could be what changes the balance and allows diplomacy to happen that Hillary let die.

I agree that Hillary took few PUBLIC risks, but it seems that decisions that she was part of - be it Afghanistan, Libya (and yes Kerry was in agreement) and Syria where she did a lot for the rebels did have an impact. The difference is that the media never tied her to any of this in recent times - and people's memory is short.

I am surprised that she took a position to the right of Kerry - I would have expected her to take advantage of not being involved now and to take a position to the left of Obama - but not DU left.

I agree that if JK were polled now he would be very very low - the right still hates him and these last two weeks has likely taken a toll on his liberal and moderate support.

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I have a number of links on this GD thread re Syria [View all] blm Aug 2013 OP

idiot wingnuts JI7 Aug 2013 #1

Assad was never Kerry's "friend". wisteria Aug 2013 #2

people are stupid, they think foreign policy is like high school cliques JI7 Aug 2013 #3

I think they prove - as BLM has admirably posted - that Kerry karynnj Aug 2013 #7

Good reminder blm Aug 2013 #9

on Anderson Cooper that middle east expert he always has on JI7 Aug 2013 #4

Obama got Kerry to try diplomacy? OMG, does the guy own a calendar? blm Aug 2013 #5

i only heard a part of it, i might have worded it wrong JI7 Aug 2013 #6

Yeah- Kerry developed a diplomatic relationship blm Aug 2013 #8

Well, really DU has gone crazy. Mass Aug 2013 #10

I think President Obama made a great decision... YvonneCa Aug 2013 #11

Oops. I meant not to go to war, not to Congress. Mass Aug 2013 #12

It's Obama Derangement Syndrome at work here Blaukraut Aug 2013 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author politicasista Aug 2013 #14

So What? Mass Aug 2013 #15

This message was self-deleted by its author politicasista Aug 2013 #18

Source, please, because the articles I posted do not say that. Mass Aug 2013 #19

This message was self-deleted by its author politicasista Aug 2013 #21

Kerry is not even quoted in the article. Mass Aug 2013 #22

This message was self-deleted by its author politicasista Aug 2013 #23

What details? Mass Aug 2013 #24

Not much politicasista Aug 2013 #35

CNN and MSNBC shows discussed this all day. One was that general... YvonneCa Aug 2013 #30

Obama didn't even TRUST Clinton with the hot spot regions. blm Aug 2013 #32

This message was self-deleted by its author politicasista Aug 2013 #36

I disagree. SOS Kerry never made a case for not going to Congress. wisteria Aug 2013 #16

This message was self-deleted by its author politicasista Aug 2013 #20

Gee...I don't think Kerry will ever be good enough... blm Aug 2013 #33

This message was self-deleted by its author politicasista Aug 2013 #37

That is exactly what they were doing. Jim.. YvonneCa Aug 2013 #31

This guy? Really? Mass Aug 2013 #34

Actually, this contradicts exactly the assertions of the tweeters Mass Aug 2013 #17

I don't see anyone being hung out to dry by anyone else here, and - no offense... Blaukraut Aug 2013 #25

Ok. politicasista Aug 2013 #38

Correct. There is no danger to Americans or American soil at this time. Obama was kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #27

I hope that something happens that makes the attack not needed karynnj Aug 2013 #28

What worries me is this Mass Aug 2013 #26

I suspect it is because Obama should not be there karynnj Aug 2013 #29

SOS Kerry is making the case for a strike as well as for going to Congress. wisteria Sep 2013 #39

I am so sad. Mass Sep 2013 #40

I've had a longstanding issue with the way he gets used by WH. blm Sep 2013 #41

Agree. n/t wisteria Sep 2013 #42

i think the arguing over "not war" thing is bs, it's clear he means a ground war JI7 Sep 2013 #43

I think you are right karynnj Sep 2013 #44

i agree about needing to discuss the affect we want JI7 Sep 2013 #45

Talking of stupid attack Mass Sep 2013 #46

I am sick of this entire matter. Obama should have just did it, wisteria Sep 2013 #47

Exactly how I feel. Obama kinda has a way of letting this BS happen. blm Sep 2013 #48

Frustrating. n/t wisteria Sep 2013 #49

similar pattern with his appointments MBS Sep 2013 #50

True - I like Obama, but this pattern of never making a crisp, clear decision is harmful karynnj Sep 2013 #51

I think the media are also reacting more positively than I would have thought Mass Sep 2013 #52

This is frustrating karynnj Sep 2013 #54

This whole thing is giving me an... YvonneCa Sep 2013 #53

Great Post. n/t wisteria Sep 2013 #59

If this debacle ends up being John Kerry's legacy as SoS, it will be tragic Blaukraut Sep 2013 #55

The problem with going to the UN is Russia - it will not work even if there were iron clad proof karynnj Sep 2013 #57

WHy can't people be opposed to this without believing all the BS ? JI7 Sep 2013 #56

Unfortunately, no matter what President Obama decides... YvonneCa Sep 2013 #58

I think making a move on Syria will anger many people, wisteria Sep 2013 #60

I wish I could prove you wrong karynnj Sep 2013 #62

DU has become simply anti- authority and anti- government. wisteria Sep 2013 #64

I recognize it - DU seems to have become GD --- with anyone who had more of the GDP orientation karynnj Sep 2013 #69

Yep. Good comments. n/t wisteria Sep 2013 #77

This is the Ron Paul crowd baiting the anti-Obama left... blm Sep 2013 #76

It is amazing how some people can not accept any deviation from their own views karynnj Sep 2013 #61

Agree. The talking heads seem to be moving in on the idea wisteria Sep 2013 #65

Sanctions work only if they are international karynnj Sep 2013 #67

And, that is the problem with most other peaceful solutions. wisteria Sep 2013 #75

A few other thoights on this... YvonneCa Sep 2013 #63

also keep in mind there are a lot of trolls here and all over the internet JI7 Sep 2013 #66

Exactly karynnj Sep 2013 #68

I agree about the... YvonneCa Sep 2013 #72

Yesterday, I was watching an old episode of the West Wing, the laureate poet Mass Sep 2013 #70

West Wing is great. My... YvonneCa Sep 2013 #71

I loved that episode! karynnj Sep 2013 #73

Keyboard policy makers and self-styled experts on any subject Blaukraut Sep 2013 #74

Have you seen the hit piece on Kerry from Reich? wisteria Sep 2013 #78

Sounds like TeamClinton blm Sep 2013 #79

That was what I was thinking. wisteria Sep 2013 #80

I couldn't find the piece you're talking about. blm Sep 2013 #81

This message was self-deleted by its author wisteria Sep 2013 #82

I cannot find the piece, Mass Sep 2013 #84

OK, found it, and I think that, whether it is true or not, Mass Sep 2013 #85

Samantha Powers was also very strong on this karynnj Sep 2013 #88

Reich is a pretty weird character from what I find on google karynnj Sep 2013 #86

I am signing off DU for the time being. wisteria Sep 2013 #83

They would have been picked up any way - that's the way it is now karynnj Sep 2013 #87

they would have found it anyways, but signing off of DU for a while is always JI7 Sep 2013 #89

That has been REAL tempting - however I wonder if all of us karynnj Sep 2013 #90

I am glad you stayed. And I hope... YvonneCa Sep 2013 #91

and you have always been a voice of sanity karynnj Sep 2013 #92

Me,too. n/t YvonneCa Sep 2013 #105

I am going to disagree with you (or at least say this is not what bothers me). Mass Sep 2013 #93

So I am adding this to our old thread so the GD folks don't pounce. beachmom Sep 2013 #94

And now Hillary does have to talk about this, and is endorsing Kerry's ad hoc remark: beachmom Sep 2013 #95

I think the dance was about Russia getting Assad to be where he needed to be blm Sep 2013 #96

So you're of the view that this was a "gaffe" in a LIHOP kind of way? beachmom Sep 2013 #97

I don't think it was a gaffe, at all. Unfortunately, perception generally blm Sep 2013 #98

Well, they are trying to downplay the comment as much as they can. Mass Sep 2013 #99

I hope that there is pressure on Obama to take karynnj Sep 2013 #100

It feels like the POTUS is running with it beachmom Sep 2013 #101

Great catch - karynnj Sep 2013 #103

I think a vote is more important than ever, wisteria Sep 2013 #106

I hope they delay it indefinately karynnj Sep 2013 #109

Ne might also have thought the risk of an imminent attack karynnj Sep 2013 #102

I believe this is just a stall, but if it helps the President wisteria Sep 2013 #104

I think this is still developing - but if it works, it is a fantastic solution karynnj Sep 2013 #107

It is interesting that he spoke with Lavrov and his Syrian counterpart wisteria Sep 2013 #108

2/3rds of the American people are opposed to this potential war beachmom Sep 2013 #110

I am well aware of the opposition to attacking Syria. wisteria Sep 2013 #111

I agree with you karynnj Sep 2013 #112