John Kerry

Noisy Democrat

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11. But we're not supposed to have to trust our government

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 08:43 AM

Jun 2012

The idea of having the Bill of Rights etc. is that no matter who is in power, there are limits on what they can do. We the citizens have rights. We don't have to depend on the idea that Obama or Romney or whoever is a good guy. I thought that the AUMF gave Bush the power to lock people up forever without trial, or even have them executed without trial, and I thought that when Obama came in, the nightmare was over. So when people say "This isn't any worse than the AUMF" it seems to me to miss the point.

You may be right, though, that in some parts of the political spectrum, concern about government encroachment is also what drives resistance to taxes and resistance to social safety nets. Personally, I don't mind paying taxes and of course I'm for greater social safety nets.

I'm still wondering what JK has had to say about all this. He *said* he had tried to amend this thing, but I haven't yet found out when or how. Maybe nobody here knows.

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Senator Kerry and the NDAA -- this is bothering me and I wonder if people here know more UPDATED [View all] Noisy Democrat Jun 2012 OP

Statement by the President on H.R. 1540 Xipe Totec Jun 2012 #1

The references to "my admin" aren't reassuring to me, personally. snot Jun 2012 #2

Thanks Noisy Democrat Jun 2012 #3

thank you for giving us that vitally important information, Xipe Totec. nt nofurylike Jun 2012 #5

Thanks! I still find the text confusing, but this is a helpful link n/t Noisy Democrat Jun 2012 #13

we are all criminals in the eyes of our elected leadership, subject to drone execution. ya? nt msongs Jun 2012 #4

No. TheWraith Jun 2012 #8

Well, for the text of the amendments and legislation, try these: Make7 Jun 2012 #6

Thanks! n/t Noisy Democrat Jun 2012 #12

Well, now I've learned something about linking to Thomas Noisy Democrat Jun 2012 #14

The NDAA explicitly says US citizens and lawful residents are not subject to military detention. TheWraith Jun 2012 #7

No one claims that section 1022 applies to US citizens. eomer Jun 2012 #9

As somebody who lived in Europe, I cannot succeed getting worked up by things like that. Mass Jun 2012 #10

But we're not supposed to have to trust our government Noisy Democrat Jun 2012 #11

The government is supposed to represent us, so we should trust it Mass Jun 2012 #15

Fifty years old is young? Noisy Democrat Jun 2012 #16

Not sure why, but I though you were much younger than I am. Mass Jun 2012 #18

Can you help me find the amendments? Noisy Democrat Jun 2012 #19

I'm sure he did have good reasons to vote yes Noisy Democrat Jun 2012 #21

p.s. How should we be fixing it? Noisy Democrat Jun 2012 #17

By having a true discussion on issues. Mass Jun 2012 #20

Another update: The famous Levin video was a hoax Noisy Democrat Jun 2012 #22

Is this related to the Occupy movement Denver Dave Sep 2012 #23