Men's Group

I don't want to belabor this point but the crux of the point isn't "every time".

It is that ONE time that ONE upper middle class Dem talked about how virtuous he/she is because he/she bought organic food at Whole Paycheck while within earshot of people who don't have it as good that was the problem.

Even if this ACTUALLY happened once or twice or thrice, it would be a problem, because people with money (which some Dems have) and a liberal bent (some Dems do) sometimes forget that their "virtue" comes at a price some can't afford. Anyone of less affluence that within earshot of such pomposity will see that as looking down their nose at them.

And if there is one thing that working class males are quite turned off by is attitudes that one is not measuring up, not cutting the mustard, being lazy. In addition to being, well, just fucking wrong, the point of view that being working class is simply a matter of not putting for the effort or having little talent is just the sort of nonsense clueless rich people who should just shut the fuck up when they don't have a clue what they are talking about will say.

One could argue that the republicans do the same things and why would they want to be a part of that nonsense? We've heard the whole Social Darwinist thinking spoken aloud, so what the hell?

The difference is the republicans don't blame THEM, they say their lot is the fault of other people. True what they say or not, it's what they do.

Our affluent Dem of uncertain existence makes it personal. Never quite says it, but intimates a lesser worth on the listener. "I'm a better person than you."

The point is that this is such a personal slight, so cutting in its contempt, that a person only has to hear it one time to be turned off for good.

It is true that economic progressivism and social liberalism are neither contradictory nor competitive. But it is also true that our upper class Dem can afford the latter by virtue of the former. Simply put, the economics MUST come first for the rest to be possible. Struggling people care about themselves first before they care about others. It's a tenet of survival. The only way that person will find the outward presence to focus on the plight of others is to have his/her struggling cease.