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58. Except it isn't made up, which you know

Sun Jul 15, 2012, 12:04 AM

Jul 2012

am, quite frankly, disgusted that this is allowed to be posted in this forum. I know a lot of the guys who post in here, and we respect one another. I know that they would not post something denying something that is a FACTUAL WAR CRIME, with photographic evidence, with testimony.

People also thought Rudy Vrba was lying when he escaped Auschwitz and told about the ovens. It sounded kinda made up and far fetched, you see. And yes, I do feel sorry for you.

A quick and simple Yahoo or Google search shows returns many, many hits. Just as a search on Nazis raping Ukrainian women would.

Here are just the first two hits. I'm sure you will proclaim these lies. Both include sex slaves tied to chairs. Gosh, how far fetched and kinda madeup sounding, huh?! Why does admitting Japan committed these war crimes seem to bother you so much? Don't bother to answer. I won't be able to see it.

http://sun.menloschool.org/~khanson/westernstudies/wwii/nanking/terror.html

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War, the Draft, sending men to kill --Is that sexism? [View all] Bonobo Jul 2012 OP

Uhm, you fail to recognize who decided men should be forced to go and kill. Lionessa Jul 2012 #1

Doesn't make it any less horrible or sexist. nt Bonobo Jul 2012 #2

I don't think you can call the gender that is making decisions about it's own gender, sexist against Lionessa Jul 2012 #3

Yes, men. Usually old men... Bonobo Jul 2012 #6

Seems to me that the US military in the past 75 years has been HereSince1628 Jul 2012 #11

It's origination though was that men thought of women as inferior, so the sexism that created it is Lionessa Jul 2012 #13

The definition of sexism is "discriminating against people on the basis of their gender" Bonobo Jul 2012 #17

But it's not because of their gender, it's because old white guys want to get rid of the young poor Lionessa Jul 2012 #28

But men (or their families) generally do get compensation for fighting in war. antigone382 Aug 2012 #62

I believe that's called ageism, though normally one thinks about it being young against old these Lionessa Jul 2012 #25

Please explain that. HereSince1628 Jul 2012 #8

You can still call them sexist against women, which is how this idea that men should go to war Lionessa Jul 2012 #10

Sorry that wasn't actually the question I wanted answered. HereSince1628 Jul 2012 #15

I mean pick another reason. As mentioned above and throughout, it can be ageism, class-ism, but it Lionessa Jul 2012 #27

Of course it can. Women can be sexist against women, men men. Any member of a group can uppityperson Jul 2012 #51

Ha ha....."your" group ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2012 #24

I agree its a class and age thing, hence why I say it can't really be a sexism thing. Lionessa Jul 2012 #26

Questionable logic. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #37

I didn't say opinions couldn't be sexist within the same sex, however when the power over that sex Lionessa Jul 2012 #39

If I think that you are weak, helpless and comparatively precious... lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #40

Not all women believe as you suggest as proven by women voluteering and serving with honor. Lionessa Jul 2012 #42

That's the thing. Society doesn't do it *to men*, it just does it. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #43

If the decision is based on sex, yes, they can be sexist. Even if by the person of that gender. uppityperson Jul 2012 #52

in this case, but its not always been so in history, plenty of times when a women has been the one loli phabay Jul 2012 #4

I think forced is the keyword here. Lionessa Jul 2012 #7

no problem with people of either sex being outrageous and unique loli phabay Jul 2012 #14

Not funny in my opinion, but that discussion has been all over DU, so I'll leave it there. Lionessa Jul 2012 #16

you do realise that it was funny peculiar and not funny haha loli phabay Jul 2012 #18

Yeah, I guess I did. Lionessa Jul 2012 #19

no problem i figured it was just an accidentql thing, :) loli phabay Jul 2012 #20

No, I've got a difficult decision to make and I fear I'm being nitpicky about everything. Lionessa Jul 2012 #21

Well i hold no grudge or malice and understand completely, try and get some sleep and hope it works loli phabay Jul 2012 #22

That is one of the more sexist comments I've seen 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #33

I said, some I did not say all. Lionessa Jul 2012 #35

But what about teh womynz!?!? 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #45

Yes of course. Being drafted and sent off to be maimed or killed against your will is a clear sign 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #32

It's an -ism, I'm just saying it isn't sexism. Lionessa Jul 2012 #34

Interesting, because I've seen countless op-eds explaining how women can be culpable 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #44

I wouldn't call what women do to each other sexism either. Lionessa Jul 2012 #46

Sure sure. The definition is revised at need 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #47

Japanese men made that decision against women, hence sexism. Lionessa Jul 2012 #48

Actually it's voters that make that choice Major Nikon Aug 2012 #64

A vote directly related to who goes to war was never offered tmk. Lionessa Aug 2012 #65

So how many election cycles passed during the Iraqi war and the Afghanistan war? Major Nikon Aug 2012 #66

Wow, what dream world do you live in, and why are you trying to suggest that women haven't Lionessa Aug 2012 #67

Please post exactly where I claimed anything within a cab ride of this Major Nikon Aug 2012 #68

The US Selective Service is, by definition, sexist: NYC_SKP Jul 2012 #5

Due to the dramatic change of our armed forces and our techniques and the show Lionessa Jul 2012 #9

So our current all volunteer force isn't sexist? Kaleva Jul 2012 #12

Well no, it still discriminates against women. It is a sexist institutiion. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #29

yeah I guess so but better just to end the draft for everybody. limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #23

Not according to a lot of people on du. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #30

Oh yeah I forgot I had the opposite position yesterday. limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #31

Yea Dokkie Sep 2012 #72

No, not sexist. caseymoz Jul 2012 #36

Is the notion that 'men are better suited for combat than women' sexist? ZenLefty Jul 2012 #38

Yes. Belief that your sex is inherently better than the other at anything is sexist. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #41

Men are inherently stronger and better suited to the rigors of combat and austere environments. Clames Jul 2012 #49

We don't fight with battle-axes anymore. Bonobo Jul 2012 #50

If you think pointing a gun is all there is to it... Clames Jul 2012 #60

Women in conquered nations weren't forced to becoem prostitutes obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #53

"The sex slaves were often tied into a chair with their legs spread, and raped with sticks, bayonets Bonobo Jul 2012 #55

Are you kidding me? obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #56

No, asking for a link is not appalling. Bonobo Jul 2012 #57

Except it isn't made up, which you know obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #58

I had never seen such dramatic evidence. Bonobo Jul 2012 #59

"So, yeah, that really is worse than a draft. " 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #61

Now, in these days, with the technology we have? Yes. It is sexism. Not going to argue which is uppityperson Jul 2012 #54

Today's military... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #63

In any situation where a disposable human is needed it is invariably men 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #69

Ann Romney is no less wealthy than Mitt. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #70

Thats a hard one Dokkie Sep 2012 #71

Yes, it is sexism. ChaoticTrilby Oct 2012 #73

Good thing we have an all volunteer military. Pterodactyl Dec 2012 #74

Yes,now. But in my lifetime, there was a draft and draft registration. nt Bonobo Dec 2012 #75

That was one good thing Nixon did. Pterodactyl Dec 2012 #76

17,725 draftees (30.4%) died in Vietnam.. Upton Dec 2012 #77

Yes, but it can't be discussed as a male issue cause we did it to ourselves, right? Bonobo Dec 2012 #78

Apparently so...at least that's what I keep seeing.. Upton Dec 2012 #79

It is Always the Mans Fault Macoy51 Jan 2013 #80

The same people who claim it's always the man's fault for men's problems... Major Nikon Jan 2013 #81