Women who think all men are rapists. Men who think women think all men are rapists. [View all]

What women think about men who think women think all men are rapists.

What do men think, about women who think about men who think all men are rapists?

Etc.

It would appear, now, if you poke your pointy head up to challenge assertions about all men as "potential rapists", you are probably an "MRA" and, even better, odds are you yourself are a rapist! ("Seen on DU™!". )

So let's air it out, shall we?

again?

One, i highly doubt anyone on DU actually used the words "all men are rapists". Maybe, but i doubt it. A few people on DU have posted threads about all men being "potential rapists", "Schrodinger's rapist", etc. and from a purely statistical standpoint, given that most rapes are committed by men, i understand the factual basis of the statement- just as factual as saying every mother has the potential to drive her kids into a lake a la Susan Smith.

Saying something factually correct does not mean it isn't also offensive in its implications. If someone said, based on statistics, that every black male on the subway was a "potential mugger", and demanded that all these guys accept personal and collective responsibility for an alleged "mugging culture", wouldn't one expect they might get a tad offended? Maybe?

Likewise, it may be correct to assert that Dworkin, MacKinnon, etc never said "sex is rape" and left it at that. What they DID say, however, and this is taken as not just truth but an essential axiom of "Feminism 101" in (self-identified) radical feminist circles, that heterosexual penetrative sex under patriarchy is fundamentally non-consensual. Of course, "under patriarchy" means "on Planet Earth", and non-consensual ("extremely nuanced definitions of consent" notwithstanding) means, and should mean, rape.

So yes, Dworkin and MacKinnon and Brownmiller and Jeffreys and the rest DO believe that hetero penetrative sex is rape, and no they did NOT ever "retract" or otherwise "clarify" those egregious statements. If anything, as Dworkin's mental illness got worse, she "doubled down" on the insane shit she had said.

And yes, she said some insane shit:

Why don't any of the erstwhile "I loves me some Andrea, Stop Picking on Andrea" defenders ever come out of the woodwork to explain how she was "grossly misquoted" there? In her own damn book? Is that statement somehow open to misrepresentation by evil conspiratorial "MRAs" who want to portray her opposition to the notion of erect penises as somehow, er, maybe a smidge out of the mainstream?

Okay, then, what the fuck does she actually MEAN there?

Please, explain it.

Let me guess: "Brilliant Swiftian Satire!"


Ah, yes, you say, but no one could really believe that shit NOW, right? Sure, in the late 80s and early 90s several college campuses were plastered with the names of random male students along with warnings about "Potential Rapist", but surely no one thinks that way, now- in 2012... right?



Wait, what was that?



Dworkin wrote that nutty crap about outlawing erections in 1976, you say! Surely there are no people - I mean, besides "Twisty"- today who believe that penetrative hetero intercourse is inherently harmful, or oppressive, or an artificial construct that needs to be done away with as we "smashthep" and... oh, wait.

http://radfemimages.wordpress.com/the-gears/#PIV

Um. Ah.

No, obviously, only an "MRA" would say there are people out there, blinded by an extreme cult-like ideology, who ARE calling all sex rape, and all men rapists.

No, there is no basis whatsoever for this, except for "MRA Propaganda".