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lumberjack_jeff

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43. Everyone should be allowed the respect of self determination.

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 07:37 PM

Sep 2012

You should be allowed your own choices.

I take issue with this paragraph;

I was referring only to the fact that insecure teenage girls are frequently targeted by conscienceless teenage boys who want to trick them into having sex with them. I frequently heard guys like that boast about their sexual conquests all the time as I was growing up. I got sick and tired of it. The women in my family (namely, my sister and our mother) weren't sex objects. They were both bright, intellectual women whose interests were not stereotypically "feminine." They both took principled stands against the racial discrimination of the day. My mother defied her racist, bigoted mother; and my sister was blacklisted by the John Birch Society for supporting civil rights. So, I grew up respecting women.

IMHO, you are projecting your ethical values onto all women.

First, you don't know what boasting took place the next day in the girls locker room, so you don't know who, or the degree to which, anyone was exploited. Second, being bright, respectable, principled and intellectual are not incompatible with being sexual.

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Why do we teach girls that they lose something with sex and men that they gain something? [View all] Bonobo Mar 2012 OP

Did you mean "use?" Or "lose?" Behind the Aegis Mar 2012 #1

Yes I did and just fixed it. Thanks. nt Bonobo Mar 2012 #2

There's a guy in my office who taught his daughters that their vagina is called a "cookie" Papagoose Mar 2012 #3

Extremely creepy. Warren DeMontague Mar 2012 #6

Cookie Monster must have terrified them! Fearless Mar 2012 #14

Property, property, property. bemildred Mar 2012 #4

From another devil's advocate playing perspective Broderick Mar 2012 #5

looking both historically and cross-culturally your explanation, really holds no water La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2012 #9

At one time, a woman's "virtue" was her only asset lumberjack_jeff Mar 2012 #10

It's the "purity ball" mentality Warren DeMontague Mar 2012 #7

At the risk of upsetting most of the participants in this topic, regarding the issue of ... radicalliberal Sep 2012 #27

One, you lost me at "the exploitative nature of casual sex" Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #28

Forget it. radicalliberal Sep 2012 #30

If that's what you take away from what I wrote, you're wrong. Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #31

Sorry, Warren....but I think you overreacted there ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2012 #33

Its possible. Even i am not always right, i suppose. Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #34

I'll have more later.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2012 #35

I composed my post in the middle of the night when I should have been in bed. radicalliberal Sep 2012 #39

Then we agree on much. Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #40

There's no need to apologize. radicalliberal Sep 2012 #42

Everyone should be allowed the respect of self determination. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #43

"First, you don't know what boasting took place the next day in the [i]girls[/i] locker room, ..." radicalliberal Sep 2012 #44

Then welcome to oddball central. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #45

Describing sex outside of marriage as 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #29

Like I said, that post lost me at "the exploitative nature of casual sex" Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #32

Sometimes? 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #36

I think sex is something that can be enjoyed on a number of levels, sort of like Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #37

It illustrated the entire point of my OP perfectly. Bonobo Sep 2012 #38

Because americans are all about assets, property and value. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2012 #8

Jeff, I think this phenomena goes way beyond America or Capitalism or even Western Civilization. Warren DeMontague Mar 2012 #11

Not to this degree. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2012 #12

That was kind of the same thing I was saying. Warren DeMontague Mar 2012 #13

No offense, but this is hardly just an "American" thing...It's in every patriarchal culture whathehell Apr 2012 #19

I think that this message to girls Tumbulu Mar 2012 #15

It was also to insure that men were not supporting another man's child.. whathehell May 2012 #21

because if she doesnt guard it Dokkie Apr 2012 #16

Just like Jack and Jill, mama told the sailor Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #17

+1 nt Bonobo Apr 2012 #18

Great question...As a female, I often wondered about that myself and yes, it is the cause of a whathehell Apr 2012 #20

Except, often, it is women who are acting as the self appointed monitors of sexual purity Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #22

For women who wish to use sex for personal gain 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #23

Maybe, although like I said my own suspicion is that it's operating on a deeper, programmed level Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #24

What ever it is, people seem to come by it naturally Major Nikon Sep 2012 #25

Sex with me is it's own reward. Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #26

... Major Nikon Sep 2012 #41