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Warren DeMontague

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4. Well, again, like other things I think the problem is when a recreational activity bleeds into work.
Fri Oct 5, 2012, 11:51 PM
Oct 2012

I would take issue, for one, with the analogy between the porn 'industry', such as it is (see below) and the tobacco industry. Whether or not people have lost their jobs from looking at smut during work, the fact remains that very few people have died from having too many hustlers in the closet, unless the box fell on their head. OTOH, my dad died of lung cancer. Tobacco IS addictive, physically, and it WILL kill you if you use it as directed, enthusiastically, for enough years.

I don't think nicotine should be illegal, but I also don't think there's a case to be made that porn, of either the industrial grade larry flynt variety or the mom n pop amateur stuff, delivers anything like the same level of inherent physical damage and addictiveness that nicotine does. A better case, I think, could be made to compare porn to marijuana- something which has been widely demonized despite the scientific evidence (or lack thereof) of measurable harm and even including numerous studies which show slight benefits. And certainly, some people DO have problems with pot; just like some do have problems with sex, or porn, or food, or gambling or any number of behaviors which many if not most people can enjoy recreationally or within certain boundaries, where a minority allows them to get out of control.

Now, onto the porn 'industry' and Larry Flynt; like other creative business models and content producers, the porn industry, such as it is, is experiencing an large internet-based dislocation. Most people don't pay for porn, anymore. And there is a great deal of porn on the internet which is made by people for no other reason than they enjoy fucking in front of a camera (or whatever)... there are enough people, now, with video cameras who happen to be exhibitionists, that there is a tremendous amount of what used to be made-in-van-nuys "porn" which is now put together by regular folks. So talking about the monolithic "porn industry" to encompass everything that's on the internet, is sort of like calling all the videos on youtube part of the "film and television industry".

What this does to Larry Flynt and his unfortunate business model, is still unclear. Nevertheless, the polemics against the monolithic porn industry which was never monolithic to begin with, are becoming increasingly dated and irrelevant.

More specific analysis on the piece you linked to a bit later.



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Art of Manliness: the problem with porn [View all] lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 OP
Okay, for starts, define "compulsion". I'm not the statistical expert, but I do think it's fairly Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #1
Fully agree regarding 1st amendment issues. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #3
Well, again, like other things I think the problem is when a recreational activity bleeds into work. Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #4
You make a good point about pot. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author eek MD Oct 2012 #2
You're touching on my second problem with it. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author eek MD Oct 2012 #7
It's an unavoidable implication. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author eek MD Oct 2012 #9
A strong sex drive is part of the definition of "virile" lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author eek MD Oct 2012 #12
One problem with these arguments, such as they are, are the way they combine anecdote, Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #13
I dunno. This is a discussion board. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #14
Fair enough. Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #15
I've never speculated what they "did with it" lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #16
Couple things, then I'm outty~ Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #17
Compelling argument. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #20
The rates of women using porn is up significantly Major Nikon Oct 2012 #22
I know just saying this causes some people to get apopleptic with sputtering outrage, but--- Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #23
MRA!!!!!!!!!!! opiate69 Oct 2012 #24
Evo psych heteronomative male gaze phallopressor! Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #26
I'm not so sure Major Nikon Oct 2012 #25
Post removed Post removed Oct 2012 #30
Interesting, to say the least. Denninmi Oct 2012 #5
I agree that if you view it as a problem then it is a problem 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #18
Well, actually, I kind of got a fresh perspective on this by reading Warren's last post Denninmi Oct 2012 #19
I don't buy any of his arguments Major Nikon Oct 2012 #21
Post removed Post removed Oct 2012 #27
Alerted. This is not funny, this ppr'd troll should have gotten the hint after it was hidden in GD stevenleser Oct 2012 #28
"Dutch Liberal" Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #29
There are only two kinds of people I hate . . . 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #31
Same category as Illinois Nazis? n/t Goblinmonger Oct 2012 #32
I'll say one thing about this group. WE GET THE BEST CALIBER TROLLS OF ANYWHERE ON DU, DAMMIT! Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #33
I think it would be interesting 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #34
Yeah Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #35
I have little doubt that an especially pernicious troll hifiguy Oct 2012 #36
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