Men's Group

it's working well enough as it is it for now and would involve thinking it through, which is hard to do when you're spending so much time complaining in "safe haven" groups. (Why are there 5 women's groups anyway?) I suspect that at the moment women have the upper hand in this because they have been real victims so many times that playing the victim card works well for them.

My point has always been that for true gender equality we have to give up the silly stuff-- like avoiding mentioning certain body parts. However, people have been banned here for saying "Nice tits" and not showing a picture of cute little birds. Vaginas? forgeddaboudit. I am bemused by how much time and effort, to say nothing of money, is spent making those things on women's chests so firm and perky but how we are not to look or comment on them. Whatever is the point, then?

It would probably be better if body parts were left out of the conversation, but, if you want to run for President, run a major company, be a firefighter, join the combat arms in the military... that's great, but you can't continue to hide behind 19th Century propriety.

It's not the sort of thing that can be finely defined, but we have to accept the difference between "that bitch" and "the bitches". One is a descriptor for a nasty shrew and the other is a slur on all women and some people get stuck in the confusion over the two.