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In reply to the discussion: The Medea Complex and the Parental Alienation Syndrome [View all]redqueen
(115,177 posts)26. And this, too, is certainly not evidence that most high conflict divorces involve domestic violence.
No, its all just moms bad mouthing innocent dads. That's all. Theres absolutely no reason to think that abusive dads would lie and say they're not abusers. Of course not.
Peter Jaffe is one of the world's leading experts on children, domestic violence, and custody.
- Peter Jaffe, Michelle Zerwer, & Samantha Poisson, (2004),"ACCESS DENIED: The Barriers of Violence and Poverty for Abused Women and their Children After Separation," p. 1.
In "Access Denied", Jaffe states the following:
"Myth: Domestic violence is rarely a problem for divorcing couples involved in a child custody dispute." Fact: The majority of parents in "high-conflict divorces" involving child custody disputes report a history of domestic violence."
Jaffe et al also lists the following studies (with the following descriptions) as supporting the position that most custody litigants have had a history of domestic violence:
In a review of parents referred for child custody evaluations by the court, domestic violence was raised in 75% of the cases. - Jaffe, P.G. & Austin, G. (1995). The Impact of Witnessing Violence on Children in Custody and Visitation Disputes. Paper presented at the Fourth International Family Violence Research Conference, Durham NH (Rep. No. July 1995)
Of 2,500 families entering mediation in CA, approximately three quarters of parents indicated that domestic violence had occurred during the relationship. -Hirst, 2002
Between 70-75% of parents referred by the family court for counseling because of failed mediation or continuing disputes over the care of their children, physical aggression had taken place. -Johnston & Campbell, (1988), Impasses of Divorce: The dynamics and resolution of family conflict. New York, NY, US: The Free Press.
Attempts to leave a violent partner with children, is one of the most significant factors associated with severe domestic violence and death. - Websdale, N. (1999). Understanding Domestic Homicide. Boston, MA: University Press.
A majority of separating parents are able to develop a post-separation parenting plan for their children with minimal intervention of the family court system. However, in 20% of the cases greater intervention was required by lawyers, court-related personnel (such as mediators and evaluators) and judges. In the majority of these cases, which are commonly referred to as "high-conflict," domestic violence is a significant issue. - Johnston, J. R. (1994). "High-conflict divorce." Future of Children, 4, 165-182.
- Peter Jaffe, Michelle Zerwer, & Samantha Poisson, (2004),"ACCESS DENIED: The Barriers of Violence and Poverty for Abused Women and their Children After Separation," p. 1.
In "Access Denied", Jaffe states the following:
"Myth: Domestic violence is rarely a problem for divorcing couples involved in a child custody dispute." Fact: The majority of parents in "high-conflict divorces" involving child custody disputes report a history of domestic violence."
Jaffe et al also lists the following studies (with the following descriptions) as supporting the position that most custody litigants have had a history of domestic violence:
In a review of parents referred for child custody evaluations by the court, domestic violence was raised in 75% of the cases. - Jaffe, P.G. & Austin, G. (1995). The Impact of Witnessing Violence on Children in Custody and Visitation Disputes. Paper presented at the Fourth International Family Violence Research Conference, Durham NH (Rep. No. July 1995)
Of 2,500 families entering mediation in CA, approximately three quarters of parents indicated that domestic violence had occurred during the relationship. -Hirst, 2002
Between 70-75% of parents referred by the family court for counseling because of failed mediation or continuing disputes over the care of their children, physical aggression had taken place. -Johnston & Campbell, (1988), Impasses of Divorce: The dynamics and resolution of family conflict. New York, NY, US: The Free Press.
Attempts to leave a violent partner with children, is one of the most significant factors associated with severe domestic violence and death. - Websdale, N. (1999). Understanding Domestic Homicide. Boston, MA: University Press.
A majority of separating parents are able to develop a post-separation parenting plan for their children with minimal intervention of the family court system. However, in 20% of the cases greater intervention was required by lawyers, court-related personnel (such as mediators and evaluators) and judges. In the majority of these cases, which are commonly referred to as "high-conflict," domestic violence is a significant issue. - Johnston, J. R. (1994). "High-conflict divorce." Future of Children, 4, 165-182.
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Considering that courts almost automatically give custody to the mother...
TreasonousBastard
Nov 2012
#4
Assuming both men and women are equally inclined to this sort of petty vengeance
4th law of robotics
Nov 2012
#3
Personally, I've found a lot of equal opportunity in the people I know in this spot
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
Nov 2012
#5
Mea culpa, I thought Bonobo had replied to me. I did pay attention to that name,
redqueen
Nov 2012
#20
And this, too, is certainly not evidence that most high conflict divorces involve domestic violence.
redqueen
Nov 2012
#26
No, it isn't. It is impossible to reply to posts made by people on your ignore list.
redqueen
Nov 2012
#49
Coming into this group and demanding people listen to you while simultaenously complaining that they
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2012
#50
It was written by a lawyer on behalf of a battered women advocacy organization
Major Nikon
Nov 2012
#22
It is primarily mothers who have custody and fathers who are alienated.
lumberjack_jeff
Nov 2012
#38
Though it is obvious to me that women engage in this more, it isn't vital to this discussion.
Bonobo
Nov 2012
#64
Where are your scientific, peer-reviewed studies proving that mothers do it more often?
redqueen
Nov 2012
#69
A member of a forum with over 20 banned members calls another forum
4th law of robotics
Nov 2012
#72
Also: scientific, peer reviewed studies regarding the patriarchy, objectification
4th law of robotics
Nov 2012
#76
The concept of PAS (at least Gardner's version of it) is not well accepted in the medical community
Major Nikon
Nov 2012
#10
It is real. It really does happen, and there are enough first-hand accounts to demonstrate it.
lumberjack_jeff
Nov 2012
#15
I think the concept is a real thing, I'm just not convinced of Gardner's version of it
Major Nikon
Nov 2012
#17
The extraordinary fight over "parental alienation syndrome" and what it means for divorce cases.
redqueen
Nov 2012
#35
"But no hypothesis so rooted in gender bias should be credited by medical science."
lumberjack_jeff
Nov 2012
#39
Yes, the MRA spin is extremely popular all over the net. Most people don't bother to argue.
redqueen
Nov 2012
#43
So when the rate of incidence doesn't support your claims, you change the subject
Major Nikon
Nov 2012
#54
Its a shame when the adults cant put their personal shit aside for the sake of the kids.
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2012
#66