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Bonobo

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46. Warren, you have a very manipulative way of arguing.

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:09 PM

Nov 2012

Let me illustrate it by (slight) exaggeration.

OTHER: Violence is a problem. There are violent men and violent women. The way to deal with the problem of violence in society is to address the root causes in both men and women.

WARREN: Yeah, but even when it is women that are being violent, that violence is part of MALE culture. It is because of the influence of "male violence culture" on them. Violence against men is overwhelmingly done by men as well.

OTHER: Yes, men are more violent in general, but the problem of violence in society is more complicated. There are violent men AND women and the cycle of violence does not always start with the father, it can also start with an abusive mother for example.

WARREN: I can't believe you are denying that men are violent. The Men's Group is truly pathetic and needs to be cleaned up.

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International Day for the Elimination of Violence against men [View all] 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 OP

What do the victims, men and women, have in common? Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #1

Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #2

Real classy... Upton Nov 2012 #3

Like flies to honey. Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #4

Just out of curiosity.. Upton Nov 2012 #10

Only when they have been massively annoying and obvious Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #11

Brave Sir Robin n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2012 #14

The total lack of any self examination within this group is not amazing at all. Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #16

Let me get this straight. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2012 #18

He is a troll because he was shitcanned the fuck out of du for being a troll. Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #24

4th law got shitcanned? I hadn't heard that. Thanks for the good news! Squinch Dec 2012 #70

Yep..bravest of the brave.. Upton Nov 2012 #28

Since you only come in here to criticize, I have to ask.- Bonobo Nov 2012 #20

Yes sure, men can and should discuss real issues that affect men Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #22

How is that relevant? lumberjack_jeff Nov 2012 #5

How isn't it? Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #6

Then avoid the embarassment. It's easy. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2012 #7

i decided to come back to these threads to answer your questions La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2012 #9

Man on man violence is clearly seen through a gendered lens. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2012 #13

My father was abused by his wife. Bonobo Nov 2012 #21

actually i have seen a rising support for battered men La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2012 #75

I don't know but I would guess that more women are battered by men. Bonobo Dec 2012 #77

Undeniably, more women are injured by physically violent men than the reverse. n/t lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #78

I think you have us confused with someone else Major Nikon Nov 2012 #53

yeah, because it's within gender violence La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2012 #8

In a heterosexual relationship, IPV is more likely to be initiated by the woman. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2012 #30

I suppose men could always invent a conspiracy theory Major Nikon Nov 2012 #54

How about we just try to eliminate violence, period? Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #12

And which gender would have to change the most for that to happen? Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #15

Then we're taking the wrong approach lumberjack_jeff Nov 2012 #17

violent people would have to change the most. as in, people who are violent. Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #19

So you seriously reject the existence of male culture of violence? Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #23

I think he is saying, rightly, that violent people are violent whether men or women. Bonobo Nov 2012 #25

"There are violent men and violent women. More men? Sure, you bet." Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #26

I think this is where we part ways for sure. Bonobo Nov 2012 #27

+1 n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2012 #29

+1 Major Nikon Nov 2012 #41

To the extent that there is, your attitude is a contributing factor. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2012 #31

"To you, the very mention of violence against men is a ludicrous embarrassment" Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #34

How was he pampered coddled and cajoled? Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #36

On the internet I'm indifferent to people. Points of argument, I can either like or dislike. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2012 #37

If that's true Major Nikon Nov 2012 #42

No Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #32

To do that you have to admit that there is a male culture of violence Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #33

That is a certainly an authoritative sounding statement, I will grant you that. Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #35

Do you know that that stat correlates to the proportion of young males in the population? Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #38

Which is one of the many things one can do with statistics. Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #39

I think you have a huge blind spot here. Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #40

I think you have a very poor understanding of cause and effect Major Nikon Nov 2012 #45

Warren, you have a very manipulative way of arguing. Bonobo Nov 2012 #46

For the sake of argument, let's accept for a moment that what you say is true. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2012 #47

Sensible solutions don't line up very well with radical feminist theory Major Nikon Nov 2012 #50

Men are bad. Full stop. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2012 #56

The idea I keep hearing is change the culture Major Nikon Nov 2012 #57

I have to assume it's something you're demanding I say, that I'm *not* saying, thats making you mad. Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #48

Also. Tell me something: From a, I guess it would be, sociological perspective? Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #49

As Paul Harvey used to say.... Major Nikon Nov 2012 #44

The problem with your theory is it just doesn't prove itself in the real world Major Nikon Nov 2012 #43

[I DON'T GET IT]===>... 6502 Nov 2012 #51

I don't get it Major Nikon Nov 2012 #52

Interesting... yet... 6502 Nov 2012 #60

You can get everything you need from page 1 Major Nikon Nov 2012 #65

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #68

You're operating from stereotype. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2012 #55

You know... it's great that I'm a Liberal... 6502 Nov 2012 #61

Are you trying to say your a liberal? hrmjustin Nov 2012 #63

Okay, here are the cites. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2012 #64

I call BULLSHIT. 6502 Dec 2012 #69

You have instincts looking for a world view to justify them. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #71

He's done in this thread Major Nikon Dec 2012 #76

"virtually all wars in history are started by men" Major Nikon Nov 2012 #66

We can go back further in history than that. Gore1FL Nov 2012 #67

this sub-argument is ludicrous. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #72

Why do you almost always have to conflate sexism with racism to make your arguments? Major Nikon Dec 2012 #73

You're equating the women of today with slaves? Upton Dec 2012 #74

Wow, and to think I have been under these misapprehensions for years!!! ElboRuum Nov 2012 #58

Um... interesting... 6502 Nov 2012 #59

I had read your comment... ElboRuum Nov 2012 #62