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Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 06:33 AM Dec 2012

I think I see the cause of the anger/miscommunication [View all]

on the rape education issue.

I hope I can explain this clearly.

You see, when you say to women that they should be educated on how to avoid getting raped, you are speaking to an entire group that may one day be potential rape victims. But it may FEEL to them as if you are blaming the victim or placing the onus on the victim.

But when you create a post that says men need to be educated on not raping, you are suggesting/implying that the group being addressed is made of either rapists or potential rapists. No one likes to be accused of being a rapist or a potential rapist. It FEELS like an accusation since it is being addressed to us.

So these are the perceptual problems created around the issue.

Women don't MEAN to say that men are rapists, they are merely expressing a wish that the world (of men) would, in some undifferentiated way, improve.

Men don't mean to sound like they are placing the blame off themselves and onto women wrt rape nor do they mean to say that their egos are more important than the feelings of women who fear rape.

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I think it's more ethics delivered as a rrneck Dec 2012 #1
I have a different conclusion Gore1FL Dec 2012 #2
The irony is that this pandering infantilizing condescension is exactly the desired reaction. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #6
This was alerted on, by the way. ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2012 #7
Thanks! Gore1FL Dec 2012 #8
Well, that's just it, and I think that was all that was being questioned. ElboRuum Dec 2012 #3
I tend to stay away from the topic for the most part Major Nikon Dec 2012 #4
I think you're right. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #5
I think self-defense is ALWAYS a good idea. Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #10
Like I said in the other thread, there's always room to be more empathic. Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #9
Good point, but... TreasonousBastard Dec 2012 #11
This ^^ nt Gore1FL Dec 2012 #13
I think a lot of it has to do with how you frame your assertions Major Nikon Dec 2012 #12
When I pointed that out Gore1FL Dec 2012 #14
We get a lot of alerts here Major Nikon Dec 2012 #15
I like this idea/framing quite a lot. n/t MadrasT Dec 2012 #16
I do too and it seems sort of an obvious point to make. Bonobo Dec 2012 #17
I agree... but what sounds great in concept often runs into problems at the practical level. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #18
Unfortunately I don't know of a great way to have that conversation here Major Nikon Dec 2012 #19
Certainly your approach is better than knee-jerk tribalism. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #20
What consent really means libodem Dec 2012 #21
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