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ElboRuum

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3. Well, that's just it, and I think that was all that was being questioned.
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 07:32 PM
Dec 2012

There were actually two messages in the "famous picture", one which was as stated, one which was an inartful subtext.

There were two ways to take that picture, and the message you got was highly dependent on your gender and whether you were sensitive to receiving that message.

The problem is, and I think what all the hostile posting is about, that the inartful subtext message is one of great familiarity to many posters, not just those who post here. With that history, the results were expected, that being a meltdown of epic proportions.

What's remarkable is that, much like has been discussed when discussing tricky subjects, the key to actually having a decent conversation with hot-button issues is to take care in the words you select. When referring to people and their behaviors or attributes, avoid the construction "X are Y", if you must say something like this, say "some X are Y". Don't stereotype the people you are conversing with. Don't treat the people you are conversing with like an enemy to be beaten or destroyed. Don't come into the conversation with a closed mind or the thought that you are going there to teach, not to learn. And whatever happens, don't expect the person you are conversing with to not try to relate personally to what you are talking about, to participate from their own experience, and to forward their own takes on the topic at hand, despite your wishes that they simply just agree.

Much of the problem in those threads is familiar, a simple throwing out of these principles. Look, I don't care how important a topic is to you, if you can't handle your perceptions and conjectures and ideas being questioned without presuming that someone is attacking you or diminishing the importance of what you are saying, maybe the "echo chamber" is a better place to post those threads.

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I think it's more ethics delivered as a rrneck Dec 2012 #1
I have a different conclusion Gore1FL Dec 2012 #2
The irony is that this pandering infantilizing condescension is exactly the desired reaction. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #6
This was alerted on, by the way. ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2012 #7
Thanks! Gore1FL Dec 2012 #8
Well, that's just it, and I think that was all that was being questioned. ElboRuum Dec 2012 #3
I tend to stay away from the topic for the most part Major Nikon Dec 2012 #4
I think you're right. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #5
I think self-defense is ALWAYS a good idea. Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #10
Like I said in the other thread, there's always room to be more empathic. Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #9
Good point, but... TreasonousBastard Dec 2012 #11
This ^^ nt Gore1FL Dec 2012 #13
I think a lot of it has to do with how you frame your assertions Major Nikon Dec 2012 #12
When I pointed that out Gore1FL Dec 2012 #14
We get a lot of alerts here Major Nikon Dec 2012 #15
I like this idea/framing quite a lot. n/t MadrasT Dec 2012 #16
I do too and it seems sort of an obvious point to make. Bonobo Dec 2012 #17
I agree... but what sounds great in concept often runs into problems at the practical level. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #18
Unfortunately I don't know of a great way to have that conversation here Major Nikon Dec 2012 #19
Certainly your approach is better than knee-jerk tribalism. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #20
What consent really means libodem Dec 2012 #21
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