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caseymoz

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23. Your title agrees with just what I'm saying.

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 02:41 AM

Jan 2013

Feeling entitled to it, and feeling so secure in your entitlement and "cause" that you boast about it, and practically openly declare it are two different things.

The fact is, this almost worked. These guys almost got away with it. I really think the adults involved would have not been so inclined to get them off the hook if they were stealing massive amounts of items. Why? Because there's no level on which the adults agree with that kind of crime.

Whereas the adults in this, on one level or another, really think that she had it coming and that an attack like this discourages other girls from being "sluts." Like just plain school bullies, they think that there's some social role an attack like this serves.

Unlike say, theft, which they definitely wouldn't have any such sympathies.

There are subcultures that may feel entitled to shoplift, but their only membership would shoplifters or fences, unless they're anti-capitalists, then they might have some other support. But I doubt there are many subcultures in this country like that.

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Call me cynical caseymoz Jan 2013 #2

I think its a conspiratorial, protect-the-football team, small town culture that is enabling Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #4

If it weren't for some vigilantes, this would have been ignored. caseymoz Jan 2013 #5

I agree with you. There's definitely a fucked up culture in this town, it sure seems. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #7

Not trying to be THAT guy, but it isn't just football. Behind the Aegis Jan 2013 #8

My hunch is it's a combination of factors, tied to $ and veneration of this particular football team Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #9

I am actually familiar with Stubenville. Been there several times. Behind the Aegis Jan 2013 #10

Oy. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #11

I am an Army brat. I have been all over the country. Behind the Aegis Jan 2013 #12

It doesn't hurt that some of the parents are in positions of power ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2013 #15

Yeah, I think the *Mother* of one of the members of the "rape crew" or their alleged accomplices is Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #19

Pity any rape victim who "gets in the way" of a football program. radicalliberal Jan 2013 #6

I don't consider it limited to small town culture so much. noamnety Jan 2013 #14

Yes, I'm old enough to remember Watergate, thanks. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #16

Criminal conspiracy does not require cultural encouragement. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #13

I'd say the US under Bush was a torture culture. caseymoz Jan 2013 #22

Not all Americans torture, but all Americans profit from torture? nt Bonobo Jan 2013 #24

If you notice from my other posts caseymoz Jan 2013 #25

I cannot argue with you. I think you have it summed up correctly. nt Bonobo Jan 2013 #26

I appreciate what you're saying, and the thought you've put into it. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #28

They would behave the same way if the team members had shoplifted. Bonobo Jan 2013 #17

I think you would find that difficult. caseymoz Jan 2013 #20

I will concede that there are sub-cultures that feel entitled to rape. Bonobo Jan 2013 #21

Your title agrees with just what I'm saying. caseymoz Jan 2013 #23

In a very well-to-do town near me.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2013 #27

That is cultural. caseymoz Jan 2013 #30

The near-obsessive manner in which the "town" has circled the wagons round their football team is Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #3

Yes, I'm told the town is split over this. caseymoz Jan 2013 #18

Amazing how some elevate football people to god-like status Major Nikon Jan 2013 #29