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caseymoz

(5,763 posts)
30. That is cultural.
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 06:39 PM
Jan 2013

When those parents were teenagers, the drinking age then was probably 18, and parents would have had supervised parties. I hate to say they probably had a few friends who were killed drunk driving, and that didn't stop them from partying. It was the '70s.

So, yes, that's a cultural thing. It came about in that innocent age when, if you killed somebody driving, your excuse was that you were drunk.

They're both a matter of culture, but Steubenville's case, involves a further step. It involves cultural enforcement, and rape like this is actually part of the bullying issue.

As remember being bullied, many times parents, consciously or not, strongly influence who got bullied. Such as in my Catholic school, the worst thing you could be called was fag, or some other homosexual slur. Both the parents and the church endorsed that. Boys in grade school would test out their gaydar and spot guys who were showing homosexual mannerisms (since before puberty, having sex with other guys was a few years off). They sucked at it, and they usually mistook me for being gay, and the bullying would start and would be joined.

The second worse thing you could be called was a n*gg*r-lover. That came from the parents, too. It was a segregated neighborhood, the African-Americans were all on the North Side, but to keep the racism edge, kids would tell racists jokes, and if you didn't laugh enough, you could then be bullied.

Kids are trying to develop their own sense of status and justice, and they learn the system from their parents, and the bullies will support that moral system/status ladder, while trying to put themselves at the top.

These are cultural things that the adults had an interest in having enforced. That's the reason why parents usually didn't stop the bullying, or if they did, they would make sure the bullied kid would know he was just as responsible.

In Steubenville, Jane Doe was called a slut, and label stuck, so she scored negative status. There were girls who were in on this witnessed at least part of the attack, or were accessories in some way.

This was a brutal act of bullying and a terrifying message to the rest of the girls to sexually behave themselves. The message is meant to be carried through the rumor mill and talked about in hushed tones. The Internet age has changed that. Now rapists get to have their own show, and they can't resist.

Moreover, lot of girls and women would endorse what happened to Jane Doe. Many of the women at the school would probably try to have it both ways and say they want the guys must be punished, but they were glad that happened to Jane Doe because she was a slut.

That's cultural through and through, more so than with your drunk driving example, which doesn't involve cultural enforcement.

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~ K ~ In_The_Wind Jan 2013 #1
Call me cynical caseymoz Jan 2013 #2
I think its a conspiratorial, protect-the-football team, small town culture that is enabling Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #4
If it weren't for some vigilantes, this would have been ignored. caseymoz Jan 2013 #5
I agree with you. There's definitely a fucked up culture in this town, it sure seems. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #7
Not trying to be THAT guy, but it isn't just football. Behind the Aegis Jan 2013 #8
My hunch is it's a combination of factors, tied to $ and veneration of this particular football team Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #9
I am actually familiar with Stubenville. Been there several times. Behind the Aegis Jan 2013 #10
Oy. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #11
I am an Army brat. I have been all over the country. Behind the Aegis Jan 2013 #12
It doesn't hurt that some of the parents are in positions of power ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2013 #15
Yeah, I think the *Mother* of one of the members of the "rape crew" or their alleged accomplices is Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #19
Pity any rape victim who "gets in the way" of a football program. radicalliberal Jan 2013 #6
I don't consider it limited to small town culture so much. noamnety Jan 2013 #14
Yes, I'm old enough to remember Watergate, thanks. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #16
Criminal conspiracy does not require cultural encouragement. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #13
I'd say the US under Bush was a torture culture. caseymoz Jan 2013 #22
Not all Americans torture, but all Americans profit from torture? nt Bonobo Jan 2013 #24
If you notice from my other posts caseymoz Jan 2013 #25
I cannot argue with you. I think you have it summed up correctly. nt Bonobo Jan 2013 #26
I appreciate what you're saying, and the thought you've put into it. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #28
They would behave the same way if the team members had shoplifted. Bonobo Jan 2013 #17
I think you would find that difficult. caseymoz Jan 2013 #20
I will concede that there are sub-cultures that feel entitled to rape. Bonobo Jan 2013 #21
Your title agrees with just what I'm saying. caseymoz Jan 2013 #23
In a very well-to-do town near me.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2013 #27
That is cultural. caseymoz Jan 2013 #30
The near-obsessive manner in which the "town" has circled the wagons round their football team is Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #3
Yes, I'm told the town is split over this. caseymoz Jan 2013 #18
Amazing how some elevate football people to god-like status Major Nikon Jan 2013 #29
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