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MadrasT

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3. I don't think feminists should be telling men what "masculinity" should look like.
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 12:47 PM
Jan 2013

The aspect of this that I think is valid for feminists to discuss is that women need to be aware of their expectations about what they think "masculinity" should look like, and give men space to express themselves in a variety of ways. (And I am speaking of all women, not just feminists.)

Every man is unique and there is no right way to be masculine (or to "be a man&quot either.

(I really even hate the words "feminine" and "masculine" but that is a rant for another day.)

If men wanted to talk about how the concept of femininity should be reconsidered, and the tone of that discussion was along the lines of "we need to give women more space to not feel like they are required to be soft, warm, nurturing, caring, pretty, gentle, and delicate" (the intent being to give women space to be released from the stereotypical definitions of femininity), I would think that was a great conversation for men to have.

Demanding change is surely futile and counterproductive, we are in full agreement there. But conversations that are primarily about allowing space for others to change don't seem wrong to me.

GOOD: "Gender role changes are OK, let's talk about that" makes me

BAD: "Gender role changes are required, let's talk about that" makes me

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Strength and power are just tools, how they're used is a choice. Denninmi Jan 2013 #1
Frankly, I think the lecturing and hectoring gets old. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #2
I don't think feminists should be telling men what "masculinity" should look like. MadrasT Jan 2013 #3
I agree with everything you've written in this post. Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #7
From the article which kicked this... response... off: redqueen Feb 2013 #9
Ever hear the phrase "it's not about you"? Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #11
A thread about an article titled "Changing the Notion of Masculinity" is posted in a feminist group redqueen Feb 2013 #12
Like I said, please don't bring external drama into this group. Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #13
All my previous post did was explain the reason for the misunderstanding. redqueen Feb 2013 #14
It's not a misunderstanding. It's a difference of opinion. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2013 #15
Feminists aren't doing that. American men are. redqueen Feb 2013 #16
According to you. Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #18
I didn't kick a thread. I shared a link to a video of American men talking about what they call redqueen Feb 2013 #19
Oh, a man said it, that must mean it's true about men. Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #20
Re-read the posts. redqueen Feb 2013 #21
If that's the case, my opinion as a man that there is nothing intrinsically wrong with men as a Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #22
You're mixing up words. No one said anything was "wrong with *men*"... redqueen Feb 2013 #23
That's awfully generous of you, to allow that someone might disagree with a broad "critique" of Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #24
Exactly right. Exactly, exactly right. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #4
Except in a few state legislatures. n/t Gore1FL Feb 2013 #5
Good point. Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #6
Even this. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2013 #17
Heck, it's even funnier considering.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2013 #8
You don't get to define me, but I am *entitled* to define you! Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #10
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