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Warren DeMontague

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30. Like I said, anecdotally there seems to be a lot of stuff about the effect of testosterone, as
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 03:41 AM
Feb 2013

reported by FTM Transpeople.

The interpretation laid over some of it, I'm not so sure I agree. I certainly don't agree that somehow it's a great accomplishment for men to control themselves, or that men deserve some sort of prize or cookie for not being cauldrons of uncontrollable id.

On the rest of it, the stuff about the guys who acquiesce to the hot girl 100% of the time- here, let me run down another anecdote... Way back before my wife and I were married, when we were still dating and even had some periods, due to conflicting responsibilities, educational environments, etc, that we were spending periods of significant distance apart... Well, let me rewind even further, and mention that, as a young man, well before she and I got involved at all, I did have trouble remaining faithful in relationships. I got it out of my system probably by 25 or so, but the experience of cheating- and being cheated on- (not to be confused with being in an open, non-monogamous relationship, mind you- not the same thing) the emotional fallout and how that dishonesty can poison a relationship, really grounded in me an appreciation for -not faithfulness per se, but honesty and transparency.

So, FFWD to when my current wife and I were dating, during one of the distance periods. During that time I was thrown into several situations with an absolutely gorgeous, incredibly hot woman who, it quickly became apparent, was real interested in me. Who was having relationship problems of her own, many of them pertaining to her sexual dissatisfaction, which she proceeded to tell me in great and intimate detail. And she was coming on to me, directly and aggressively.

Any other time in my life up to then, I would have been all over it. Had I been single, for sure. Had I even been a few years younger- for sure. But even though my then-gf and I were, at that particular time, in a rough patch, throwing the future of the relationship into question; even though we were far apart, even though there was a part of me that really, really wanted to get together with this person (attendant drama and all)... I knew that the person I was involved with, was possibly-probably-someone I wanted to make a major commitment with and to. And I didn't want anything to potentially get in the way of that, even if, as was likely, we probably could and would have worked past it.

So, I said 'no'. And I guarantee this opportunity was at least as sexually enticing as ANYTHING they threw at those "100%" guys in that study. She was hot as hell. I hope she didn't take it personally.

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Male Sexual Response [View all] Bonobo Feb 2013 OP
Well said. MrSlayer Feb 2013 #1
Before the predictable howls o' outrage ensue, I will say that anecdotally there is a lot of Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #2
"Objectifying" is reducing someone to an unthinking, unfeeling object. Dash87 Feb 2013 #13
And again, I think it's a made-up phenomenon dressed up as "science", that some people have decided Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #17
Objectification isn't a scientific concept. Dash87 Feb 2013 #19
It is presented as an allegedly scientific concept. And unless YOU are the one doing the Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #20
Interesting read Sherman A1 Feb 2013 #3
Not outrage, bemusement. Warren Stupidity Feb 2013 #4
Strawman prize. nt Bonobo Feb 2013 #5
exactly - the 'way to miss a point' prize leftyohiolib Feb 2013 #6
from the article leftyohiolib Feb 2013 #7
For me, the issue is how male behavior is "pathologized"... Bonobo Feb 2013 #8
i remember testoerone poisoning - i think alan alda was throwing that around in the 70's leftyohiolib Feb 2013 #9
Well, I refuse to believe there is anything abnormal or wrong with the average guy. Denninmi Feb 2013 #11
you and i are on the same page leftyohiolib Feb 2013 #31
What a horrible article. Dash87 Feb 2013 #10
It doesn't ignore it at all. It makes a POINT of it. nt Bonobo Feb 2013 #12
The point I got is more apologia. Dash87 Feb 2013 #14
I don't think painting it with the MRA title is fair but I can see the strategy. Bonobo Feb 2013 #15
Looks and quacks like a duck. Dash87 Feb 2013 #16
I agree that no one deserves a "prize" for being a decent human being. That aspect bugged me, too. Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #18
My opinion is about the blog. Nothing more. Dash87 Feb 2013 #21
Still, it's not helpful. In my experience some folks here think merely saying "MRA" is some sort of Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #22
I think the main element of virtuous masculinity is self control. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2013 #23
There seem to be a lot of women who immediately pull the disgust card.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2013 #24
AFAIC, there's nothing wrong with the latter one, either. Lots of people -of both genders- like sex. Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #25
Just for the record, I'm not terribly impressed with this article. Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #26
Noted and I don't really disagree in general. Bonobo Feb 2013 #27
Like I said, anecdotally there seems to be a lot of stuff about the effect of testosterone, as Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #30
Agreed, but I think there are some valid points. Behind the Aegis Feb 2013 #28
That was my point, to the one who said "I don't want my 5 year old watching beyonce!" Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #29
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