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ZombieHorde

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11. Hmmm...

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:46 PM

Feb 2013

If one wants to say "traditional gender roles", one can just say that.

To blame it on "The Patriarchy" is to accept a particular, narrow narrative promulgated by folks with a definite agenda.

I think this is actually a good rhetorical call. I think I will use other words and phrases when outside of school.

It totally ignores the biggest elephant in the room- religion- for one.

You're preaching to the choir on that one. (pun intended)

I note, however, that "gender is an artificial, meaningless construct" seems to be this week's talking point, sort of how "men can't be feminists" was the talking point a few weeks ago.

I agree with that, but I think almost everything is meaningless.

Which begs the question: If gender doesn't exist, how are "we" supposed to know who is "allowed" to call themselves Feminists, and who isn't?

Short answer: I don't know.
Longer answer: There are actually many different types of feminism, so when someone says, "I am a feminist," we don't really know what they believe and don't believe. I don't think any one group of feminists can be considered the real feminists, just like no one group of Christians can claim to be the real Christians. When I took my first women's studies class, one of the first things our professor told us was that social movements are very messy, and not always universally, clearly defined. OWS is a fantastic example of that.

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Negative stereotypes about boys hinder their academic achievement [View all] DavidDvorkin Feb 2013 OP

Yep. This is one of the reasons patriarchy sucks. ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #1

I don't see how the stereotype that boys are inferior is attributable to patriarchy. DavidDvorkin Feb 2013 #2

A large part of patriarchy is assigned gender roles. ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #3

So basically "patriarchy" is a catch-all label to describe anything you don't like. Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #5

I have said nothing of the sort, but feel free to believe whatever you can ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #7

And yet, when it was widely assumed that girls were academically inferior, that was "patriarchy",too Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #8

If patriarchy was a "nefarious penis conspiracy," ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #9

If one wants to say "traditional gender roles", one can just say that. Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #10

Hmmm... ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #11

Everyone should be get at least a cursory grounding in Korzybyski & General Semantics, IMHO Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #13

I don't even think "traditional" is an operative word. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2013 #15

Nefarious Penis Conspiracy opened for The Reverand Horton Heat at the Paradise in Boston in '93 ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2013 #12

Yes, but the flyers around town were epic. nt ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #14

while assuring them that girls and boys are equally academic may help them achieve. seabeyond Feb 2013 #4

I think all kids are different, and respond to different stuff. Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #6