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Warren DeMontague

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13. Everyone should be get at least a cursory grounding in Korzybyski & General Semantics, IMHO
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 05:38 PM
Feb 2013

good way to remind the old brain about the limitations of semantic maps, labels, and the like.

Edited to add: When I have, previously, self-identified as a "Feminist", I have gone by the definition popularized on signs and t-shirts at places like the March For Womens Lives I attended in DC, in 2004; namely, "Feminism is the radical idea that women are people", radical, of course intended facetiously. Or that Feminism was the struggle for equal rights regardless of gender. Both seemingly straightforward, no-brainer concepts to me. Which is why I was surprised by the vehement arguments we recently saw pretty much drawing a stark line in the sand about "Men can't be Feminists".

Particularly in light of other things I've heard in recent years, complaints bemoaning young women disassociating themselves from the label "Feminist" because the label was perceived, wrongly we were told, as representing something intolerant, non inclusive, and most importantly meaning something other than (incorrectly, so it went) "the struggle for equal rights regardless of gender".

So again, it struck me as odd that all of a sudden there was this move to define the label more rigidly, and non-inclusive.

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Yep. This is one of the reasons patriarchy sucks. ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #1
I don't see how the stereotype that boys are inferior is attributable to patriarchy. DavidDvorkin Feb 2013 #2
A large part of patriarchy is assigned gender roles. ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #3
So basically "patriarchy" is a catch-all label to describe anything you don't like. Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #5
I have said nothing of the sort, but feel free to believe whatever you can ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #7
And yet, when it was widely assumed that girls were academically inferior, that was "patriarchy",too Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #8
If patriarchy was a "nefarious penis conspiracy," ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #9
If one wants to say "traditional gender roles", one can just say that. Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #10
Hmmm... ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #11
Everyone should be get at least a cursory grounding in Korzybyski & General Semantics, IMHO Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #13
I don't even think "traditional" is an operative word. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2013 #15
Nefarious Penis Conspiracy opened for The Reverand Horton Heat at the Paradise in Boston in '93 ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2013 #12
Yes, but the flyers around town were epic. nt ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #14
while assuring them that girls and boys are equally academic may help them achieve. seabeyond Feb 2013 #4
I think all kids are different, and respond to different stuff. Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #6
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