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Warren DeMontague

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18. you can keep telling yourself that

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 10:06 PM

Feb 2013

but it's really just warmed up old-fashioned Western Religious puritanism and sex-guilt, repackaged and reflavored.

That's why Dworkin and MacKinnon so eagerly palled up with Ed Meese against, yes, Larry Flynt. It's not that hard to figure out.

Let me guess; women should be in charge of their sexuality, until they decide to take off their clothes in front of a camera, right? Then it's okay to pillory them, or otherwise imagine that they're suddenly befuddled, helpless, and incapable of making their own damn decisions about their own damn bodies. And somehow the folks with the crazy, pesky notions that consenting adults should ALL be free to make up their own minds, are the bigots and oppressors.

I won't even get into the "yes really means no because patriarchy that's why" crap.

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(CAUTION: SCARY WORDS) [View all] Bonobo Feb 2013 OP

I know I am not alone in saying Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #1

I would avoid using the slang for breasts too ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2013 #2

What have you got against Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #3

Please post the alert results when they come in, okay? Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #4

More fun will be predicting when it actually get alerted ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2013 #5

If you've seen men use it as an insult, it's not acceptable as slang in reference to a vagina geek tragedy Feb 2013 #6

A lot of people out here in the real world are grown ups and can handle the use of these words. Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #7

Sure, everything is context dependent. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #8

And the context of Sandra Fluke was Rush Limbaugh implying that sex is bad and evil and people- Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #9

No, the context was that it was derogatory towards women and a slur. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #10

Yes, the implication was that people shouldn't fuck, they should cover up and pray. Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #11

No, it's the notion that a woman's sexual identity is fair game for political discourse. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #12

She was talking about birth control. So he was shaming her for having sex. Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #13

No, it's the idea that if a woman disagrees with a man on issues like geek tragedy Feb 2013 #16

Hmm.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2013 #17

There is no such thing as 'sex negative' feminism. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #35

It's a backdoor way of doing the same thing ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2013 #38

No. Sex and porn are different things. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #40

"that ship has sailed" ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2013 #43

"Johns school" is used in NY for guys who get busted. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #44

Hmm.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2013 #46

I know, it's terrible. You actually have to make to convince geek tragedy Feb 2013 #49

If you're looking for a place to unload endlessly on how shitty men are, you're in the wrong group. Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #52

I'm not unloading on men. I'm a man myself. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #57

I dont care. Your language and attitude ("menfolk") are not appropriate for this group. Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #60

Oh, I see. No discussion of male privilege in the men's group. nt geek tragedy Feb 2013 #62

You thought this was the place to find an eager audience to be lectured at about the many things Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #66

No, it's a place to whine about not being able to use language geek tragedy Feb 2013 #70

Okay, since you have such a problem with this group, you don't need to come here anymore. Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #75

... opiate69 Feb 2013 #78

Actually, it's "which hot celeb", and it's been a very popular thread. So.. why would you Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #81

now you're going to preach about language? BainsBane Feb 2013 #88

No, that's not what I'm doing. Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #92

"menfolk" BainsBane Feb 2013 #94

If I went into HoF and started talking about "womenfolk", you think that would go over well? Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #97

Yes, sir! BainsBane Feb 2013 #98

I know. I wonder how many shudders of ecstasy were felt when Iceland suggesting banning smut? Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #87

"That ship has sailed" ... No, its still very much central to the agenda. Just downplayed, because Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #123

That's funny. Maybe you should tell this blogger to stop calling herself that. Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #51

Where does that phrase appear? geek tragedy Feb 2013 #54

Did you click the link? It's right there in the post heading. Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #56

Most men don't complain about not being able to pay for sex. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #58

Who SPECIFICALLY is "complaining" about that in this thread? Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #61

It started with a discussion of the purported 'sex negative' myth that gets geek tragedy Feb 2013 #63

Translation; i made it up, because no one here is actually saying it. Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #65

You found one blog. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #68

Word Salad Salad Word Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #79

you can keep telling yourself that Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #18

Nope. They just disapprove of institutions whose foundation is economic and geek tragedy Feb 2013 #21

I'm sorry.... "men's rights"? What are you on about now? Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #27

The same arguments for 'consenting adults' in prostitution were made in Lochner v NY. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #36

So that invalidates all arguments which contain the words (eeeew!) "consenting adults"? Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #50

"fat, ugly losers" ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2013 #32

No, that's the kind of man who goes out and has to buy sex as if it's geek tragedy Feb 2013 #33

I suppose if I talked about male gigolos.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2013 #34

If you want to specifically target the vanishingly small number geek tragedy Feb 2013 #37

That's your opinion.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2013 #39

Rush Limbaugh is the typical sex tourist. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #41

Again, that's your opinion ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2013 #42

Yeah, totally the same. Therapy vs vagina on demand. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #45

Do you know what a sex therapist does? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2013 #47

Sex therapists are therapists. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #48

I hope you realize BainsBane Feb 2013 #90

Wanna REALLY be an activist?? cliffordu Feb 2013 #119

there is the minor issue BainsBane Feb 2013 #91

I don't know about that first line ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2013 #14

He's just a plain old turd, and a hypocrite to boot. Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #15

and here's another difference: Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #20

So "vay-jay-jay" is okay with you? Bonobo Feb 2013 #22

Expressing physical revulsion towards a woman's sexual organs is so geek tragedy Feb 2013 #23

I suppose that is true for men's genitals too? Bonobo Feb 2013 #24

You know, I never hear women express revulsion towards penises in general. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #25

Heh. Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #28

there is no problem with using the word vagina BainsBane Feb 2013 #93

I don't get upset about "Dick," "Cock," or anything like that when it is used. Gore1FL Feb 2013 #31

This is my new favorite thing Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #19

What about 'twat'? That is always my favorite when being called a 'dick'? Just wondering... eom Purveyor Feb 2013 #26

What? I can't hear you, I have an ear infection. Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #29

bothersome games sigmasix Feb 2013 #30

This isn't about misogyny or right wing men or people threatened by "feminist critique". Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #53

Hell yes. nt Bonobo Feb 2013 #55

So, "pussy" and "bitch" and "cunt" are the grown-up words and feminists are being geek tragedy Feb 2013 #59

Yes, they are grown up words. Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #64

It seems you are traumatized by taking words dripping in misogyny geek tragedy Feb 2013 #69

By the way, if using a word in the workplace will get you sued geek tragedy Feb 2013 #71

"feminists"?? No... opiate69 Feb 2013 #67

So, if a male coworker complains about the 'cunts' and 'bitches' in geek tragedy Feb 2013 #72

Do let me know when DU starts putting us all on the payroll... opiate69 Feb 2013 #73

So, DU should be more permissive of misogynistic language than geek tragedy Feb 2013 #74

Misogynist language like calling a woman a "rape apologist"? Or a "Todd Akin"? LadyHawkAZ Feb 2013 #89

Thank you. Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #106

It seems to be a popular analogy these days. Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #77

funny that... opiate69 Feb 2013 #80

you can buy it with the "big bijou c*** coloring book"! Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #82

Gimme a break.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2013 #99

FYI, Geek Tragedy has been blocked from the group, at least on a probationary basis. Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #76

Well damn LadyHawkAZ Feb 2013 #83

Go ahead and post it- although I'd say it might do better as a thread of its own. Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #84

Unless you're all dying to read it LadyHawkAZ Feb 2013 #85

Fair 'nuff. Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #86

So glad you're not policing language BainsBane Feb 2013 #95

Yargle blargle blargle yarg. Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #96

I'm glad you're cool with people running down entire groups. ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2013 #100

what groups? BainsBane Feb 2013 #104

Good. name not needed Feb 2013 #101

gee, ya think? Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #102

It is still a very, very small list ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2013 #103

For someone who purports to object to naughty words, MADem Feb 2013 #108

I'm not sure if you can call it "yet another". Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #109

Entirely possible. MADem Feb 2013 #110

What this thread needs is Denninmi Feb 2013 #105

No no no Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #107

Must be rather difficult for many people to simply avoid using colloquial and vulgar slang LanternWaste Feb 2013 #111

either that, or adults don't like being scolded like errant preschoolers for R rated talk. Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #112

thanks a lot, Bonobo. Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #113

Never say I didn't give you anything. Bonobo Feb 2013 #114

I told you, you brought Christmas to meta, early. Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #115

Remember..must have been almost a year now Upton Feb 2013 #116

if you haven't had a chance... Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #117

It's educational. For instance, Who knew DU used to have a user named "HootieMcBoob" Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #118

If Hootie was here today.. Upton Feb 2013 #120

I'd alert on him for his name reminding me vaguely of Hootie and the Blowfish Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #121

All of those are known as objectionable words. caseymoz Mar 2013 #122

Don't forget "Unit" Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #124

That's almost like piece of a cadence I remember from my Army days Bok_Tukalo Apr 2013 #125

now there are actual pictures of actual boobs in GD, which were not hidden by a jury, even. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #126

"Dicknuts!" Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #127