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Bonobo

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Sat May 18, 2013, 09:50 AM May 2013

The Mythopoetic Movement [View all]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythopoetic_men%27s_movement

I find myself very much in agreement with the basic tenets listed here.

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Foundations

The leaders of the mythopoetic men's movement believed that modernization had led to the feminization of men. Mythopoets believed that the rise of the urban industrial society "trapped men into straitjackets of rationality, thus blunting the powerful emotional communion and collective spiritual transcendence that they believe men in tribal societies typically enjoyed" (p. 20 Messner). Most importantly, the movement sought to restore the "deep masculine" to men who had lost it in their more modern lifestyles.

Other causes for the loss of the "deep masculine" include:
Men no longer being comrades who celebrated their masculinity together. Rather, they had become competitors within their workplaces.

Men spending more time in their houses with women than they did with men (in non-competitive terms outside of work). Excessive interaction with women generally kept men from realizing their internal masculinity.

Feminism bringing attention to the 'feminine voice.' Through this, the mythopoetic men felt that their voices had been muted (though Bly and others are careful in not blaming feminism for this).

The separation of men from their fathers kept them from being truly initiated into manhood, and was a source of emotional damage.

Men were suffering further emotional damage due to feminist accusations about sexism. Men should celebrate their differences from women, rather than feeling guilty about them.

Men being discouraged from expressing their emotions. Male inexpressivity is an epidemic and does not correspond to their "deep masculine" natures.
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The Mythopoetic Movement [View all] Bonobo May 2013 OP
Mostly agree. lumberjack_jeff May 2013 #1
I agree with this fully. HuskiesHowls May 2013 #2
Great post. Bonobo May 2013 #3
It seems that all of life forms groups, of one kind or another. HuskiesHowls May 2013 #4
Our society is notably lacking these sorts of initiation rituals, which can be integral to deeper Warren DeMontague May 2013 #5
I'm not sure this esteemed male bonding was all it was cracked up to be... TreasonousBastard May 2013 #6
One thing at least seems clear to me. Bonobo May 2013 #7
I think we should have a scary initiation ritual for young men to join THIS group. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #8
completely disagree galileoreloaded May 2013 #9
That's an overly simplistic view of relationships- and people- I think. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #10
maybe. but both the men and women i have coached galileoreloaded May 2013 #11
I also don't actually think "the culture" is "ill" Warren DeMontague May 2013 #12
ALL relationships are transactional. galileoreloaded May 2013 #13
Apparently you believe that there is an idealized sort of fraternal relationship that is not. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #14
yes i am. and i have had to teach my son galileoreloaded May 2013 #15
I think you'e looking at some things through a particular lens that I don't have much use for. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #16
maybe. it usually take me an hour of coaching to break the male ego..... galileoreloaded May 2013 #17
I'll stick with Korzybski, Wilson, Garcia and Hunter. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #18
Understood. It's a bitter pill. Nt galileoreloaded May 2013 #19
Mmmmm, I'm not sure it is. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #20
I agree with you completely HuskiesHowls May 2013 #21
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