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HuskiesHowls

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4. It seems that all of life forms groups, of one kind or another.
Sun May 19, 2013, 11:00 AM
May 2013

Usually, it is for the mutual benefit of the group. However, when young men form groups, without proper supervision and leadership, they become corrupted. These groups are not so much for mutual benefit, as much as they are for acceptance. We know them as "Gangs". Without proper grounding in what it means to be a man, how to live as a contributing part of society and how to accept the burdens and share the joys of being a man, destructiveness follows. Unfortunately, one man alone is not sufficient to teach even a small group of boys about what it means to be a man. It takes a diversity of personalities, abilities, and styles to teach even one boy or young man about manhood.

Its not easy to be a man. There are a lot of burdens put on men, that neither men nor women understand. Although a lot of men's groups are put down as "just going out in the woods and beating drums", there is a lot of hard mental work going on that can lead to a better life for all. Some people know and understand this. Unfortunately, not enough. Through men's groups like this one, with open and frank discussion, maybe more people-both women and men-will learn more about themselves.

One thing that women need to understand is that the Oedipus complex is real. All men have to deal with it, and if they don't, bad things happen. Its tricky to deal with, and how it is dealt with can affect a man for the rest of his life. If its dealt with badly, it can lead to a love-hate relationship with all women forever. If not dealt with, it is possible it would lead to violence against women.

There are no easy answers.

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The Mythopoetic Movement [View all] Bonobo May 2013 OP
Mostly agree. lumberjack_jeff May 2013 #1
I agree with this fully. HuskiesHowls May 2013 #2
Great post. Bonobo May 2013 #3
It seems that all of life forms groups, of one kind or another. HuskiesHowls May 2013 #4
Our society is notably lacking these sorts of initiation rituals, which can be integral to deeper Warren DeMontague May 2013 #5
I'm not sure this esteemed male bonding was all it was cracked up to be... TreasonousBastard May 2013 #6
One thing at least seems clear to me. Bonobo May 2013 #7
I think we should have a scary initiation ritual for young men to join THIS group. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #8
completely disagree galileoreloaded May 2013 #9
That's an overly simplistic view of relationships- and people- I think. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #10
maybe. but both the men and women i have coached galileoreloaded May 2013 #11
I also don't actually think "the culture" is "ill" Warren DeMontague May 2013 #12
ALL relationships are transactional. galileoreloaded May 2013 #13
Apparently you believe that there is an idealized sort of fraternal relationship that is not. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #14
yes i am. and i have had to teach my son galileoreloaded May 2013 #15
I think you'e looking at some things through a particular lens that I don't have much use for. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #16
maybe. it usually take me an hour of coaching to break the male ego..... galileoreloaded May 2013 #17
I'll stick with Korzybski, Wilson, Garcia and Hunter. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #18
Understood. It's a bitter pill. Nt galileoreloaded May 2013 #19
Mmmmm, I'm not sure it is. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #20
I agree with you completely HuskiesHowls May 2013 #21
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