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Bonobo

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7. One thing at least seems clear to me.
Tue May 21, 2013, 10:37 PM
May 2013

When a boy was initiated and then became an adult, joining in the membership of the elder males, there has always been some sort of challenge to overcome. Through this challenge, the young man (boy) was forced to confront his fears and overcome them. Such challenges would reinforce the importance of learning the basic skills and ethics that would enable them to be successful adults and to gain the confidence needed to navigate the similar challenges facing them in the future.
In joining the "men's group", their connections, their dependence and the loyalty to the larger society would be reinforced in a tacit or explicit contract. The new promoted man would then be controlled to some degree by this new membership --and without such a thing, the male energy can be instead diverted in ways that are less healthy to the man himself and the society as a whole.

I think society needs to replace this kind of ritual entry into adulthood through some forms of ritual if we are to better channel male energy.

"Ritual has three specific characteristics. First, it occurs in a unique social space, set apart from everyday life. Second, communication operates through symbols and emotions rather than relying primarily on words or rational thought. In ritual, individuals learn by doing and utilize nonverbal communication. Third, ritual confirms and transforms people's worldviews, identities, and relationships with others."
http://www.beyondintractability.org/node/630

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The Mythopoetic Movement [View all] Bonobo May 2013 OP
Mostly agree. lumberjack_jeff May 2013 #1
I agree with this fully. HuskiesHowls May 2013 #2
Great post. Bonobo May 2013 #3
It seems that all of life forms groups, of one kind or another. HuskiesHowls May 2013 #4
Our society is notably lacking these sorts of initiation rituals, which can be integral to deeper Warren DeMontague May 2013 #5
I'm not sure this esteemed male bonding was all it was cracked up to be... TreasonousBastard May 2013 #6
One thing at least seems clear to me. Bonobo May 2013 #7
I think we should have a scary initiation ritual for young men to join THIS group. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #8
completely disagree galileoreloaded May 2013 #9
That's an overly simplistic view of relationships- and people- I think. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #10
maybe. but both the men and women i have coached galileoreloaded May 2013 #11
I also don't actually think "the culture" is "ill" Warren DeMontague May 2013 #12
ALL relationships are transactional. galileoreloaded May 2013 #13
Apparently you believe that there is an idealized sort of fraternal relationship that is not. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #14
yes i am. and i have had to teach my son galileoreloaded May 2013 #15
I think you'e looking at some things through a particular lens that I don't have much use for. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #16
maybe. it usually take me an hour of coaching to break the male ego..... galileoreloaded May 2013 #17
I'll stick with Korzybski, Wilson, Garcia and Hunter. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #18
Understood. It's a bitter pill. Nt galileoreloaded May 2013 #19
Mmmmm, I'm not sure it is. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #20
I agree with you completely HuskiesHowls May 2013 #21
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