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Warren DeMontague

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14. Apparently you believe that there is an idealized sort of fraternal relationship that is not.

Wed May 22, 2013, 04:15 PM

May 2013

"Transactional" is a label, and while certainly one can engage in all sorts counting-angels-on-a-pin exercises trying to discern peoples' "real" motivations for all manner of things; like how much our behavior is clockwork, and how much orange, that sort of thing- I tend to view those exercises as sort of a waste of time. YMMV, of course.

I think unconditional (or relatively) altruistic love can and does exist, and deconstructing transactional, societal, or even evolutionary motivations "behind" it doesn't make it any less "real" IMHO.

In other words, are you a parent?

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The Mythopoetic Movement [View all] Bonobo May 2013 OP

Mostly agree. lumberjack_jeff May 2013 #1

I agree with this fully. HuskiesHowls May 2013 #2

Great post. Bonobo May 2013 #3

It seems that all of life forms groups, of one kind or another. HuskiesHowls May 2013 #4

Our society is notably lacking these sorts of initiation rituals, which can be integral to deeper Warren DeMontague May 2013 #5

I'm not sure this esteemed male bonding was all it was cracked up to be... TreasonousBastard May 2013 #6

One thing at least seems clear to me. Bonobo May 2013 #7

I think we should have a scary initiation ritual for young men to join THIS group. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #8

completely disagree galileoreloaded May 2013 #9

That's an overly simplistic view of relationships- and people- I think. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #10

maybe. but both the men and women i have coached galileoreloaded May 2013 #11

I also don't actually think "the culture" is "ill" Warren DeMontague May 2013 #12

ALL relationships are transactional. galileoreloaded May 2013 #13

Apparently you believe that there is an idealized sort of fraternal relationship that is not. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #14

yes i am. and i have had to teach my son galileoreloaded May 2013 #15

I think you'e looking at some things through a particular lens that I don't have much use for. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #16

maybe. it usually take me an hour of coaching to break the male ego..... galileoreloaded May 2013 #17

I'll stick with Korzybski, Wilson, Garcia and Hunter. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #18

Understood. It's a bitter pill. Nt galileoreloaded May 2013 #19

Mmmmm, I'm not sure it is. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #20

I agree with you completely HuskiesHowls May 2013 #21