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There's nothing about "patriarchal culture". There is, of course, "patriarchy". Okay, which "Patriarchy"? The one which supposedly creates armies of transgender gynergy vampires to infiltrate womynspace?

Most people here- me, at least- acknowledge that Western Civilization has a historically patriarchal orientation. Of course. But "Patriarchy" as a label is used for all sorts of things. And these fights over the labels are really the fucking definition of pointlessness. The labels are abstractions to categorize a set of data points. It's like arguing over whether the big dipper "really" exists. The stars that make up the big dipper exist, but the big dipper is a pattern which can or cannot be abstracted from the information.



It's like, "it's a face! No, it's a vase, you vase-denier youuuuu!"

And in that vein, which "Feminism"? The one which believes women should have equal rights? The one which supports reproductive freedom? The banner under which I marched in DC in 2004? Because everyone here already agrees with that. The, dare I say it, sex positive wing? Yeah, that too. Or the "Feminism" of Dworkin and MacKinnon, the wing which has no problem palling up with the likes of Ed Meese?

Again, define the terms.

And there is the way the material is presented in the first place: "The Thing Is"--- it walks in assuming you're wrong, I'm right, and I'm gonna set you straight. Right off the bat.

Oh, can't imagine why anyone might object.