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11. How much of that KYN 9% includes return of principal? It doesn't look so great at Morningstar
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 02:56 PM
Dec 2022

Last edited Wed Dec 14, 2022, 12:35 AM - Edit history (2)

https://www.morningstar.com/cefs/xnys/kyn/performance

The 1 year and YTD return is great, but all the other period returns are negative, e.g. 1 month, 3 months, 3 years, 5 years, etc. except for the 15 year (+0.88% annualized average). I'm sure not seeing a steady reliable 9% return here.

Edited to add while on the performance page, click the Distributions button to the right of the word "Performance", just above the graph to see the distributions. In Feb 2019 thru September 2022, of the 1.965/share distributed, only 0.12 of that was actual income of the underlying holdings. The rest was return of capital. End Edit.

Narrow sector leveraged Closed End Funds are not my cup of tea.

On I-bonds, yes, at the moment they are wonderfully wonderful. But in periods of normal inflation, their returns are pretty weak. (remember it resets every 6 months, and that includes previously purchased ones. So I wouldn't make a long-term plan based on I-bonds.
But yeah, grab some, I did)
https://www.treasurydirect.gov/files/savings-bonds/i-bond-rate-chart.pdf

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How much of that KYN 9% includes return of principal? It doesn't look so great at Morningstar progree Dec 2022 #11
I faced the same decision. My company offered an enhanced rate on the annuity, noticeably better MLAA Dec 2022 #3
She worked for a bank ages ago. bif Dec 2022 #8
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Nothing stopping you from having more than one! LOL.... A HERETIC I AM Dec 2022 #17
Thanks. bif Dec 2022 #18
I am frequently astonished at the trashing of annuities here on DU. PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2022 #22
My annuity has lost 23.3% in purchasing power in the last 6 years, due to inflation progree Dec 2022 #23
What I appreciate is the rock-solid dependability of the annuities. PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2022 #24
So true, about annuities often being trashed here on DU. PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2022 #25
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How well is the pension fund managed? Is it underfunded? Pobeka Dec 2022 #20
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