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nmmi

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22. You might consider NOT doing any Roth conversions --
Fri Nov 29, 2024, 03:03 PM
Nov 29

They are great at a young or middle age, but are dubious for seniors. I'd at least check out the Roth conversion calculators out there -- that tell you whether it will really save you money over the long run (over the short run it obviously won't -- it costs you taxes up front to save relatively small amounts of taxes later on over several years). Roth conversions are also good when assuming what's invested will gets a high rate of return, much less so for lower rates of return). T Rowe Price used to have a good one but that was many years ago that I used it, it may still have.

This Google search got a lot of promising hits:
Roth conversion calculators - how much will a Roth conversion save me?

(I eventually made my own spreadsheet version, modeled on T Rowe Price's calculator, but that also takes into account that stocks in a regular (non-IRA) account have a lower capital gains rate that is less than the ordinary rate that apply to IRA RMD and other withdrawals and to Roth conversions. It's complicated to get into the weeds of it, but there is a lot of bubbly boo blather about Roth conversions in the media written by people who have no analytical skills, who are just parroting others with the same skills.

What is certain is that it very much depends on individual circumstances and assumptions about many future variables.

 IRAHelp.com is a great resource.
https://irahelp.com/forum/

I do my own taxes now (with the help of TurboTax), but for 40 years I had paid help, including 35 years with a CPA professional tax preparer / advisor. I learned a lot from him, as well as reading things like Retirement Watch newsletter that has a lot of focus on taxes, AAII Journal for decades (American Association of Individual Investors), among many others. I hope you will consider having a CPA tax preparer/advisor for a couple of years (at least) and going over this with them.

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"The question is not whether that makes financial sense." mahatmakanejeeves Nov 29 #1
Thanks. Susan Calvin Nov 29 #2
Capital gains is a non-issue with IRAs. One is taxed on the value of the IRA at the time of withdrawal or conversion nmmi Nov 29 #15
Thank you. Susan Calvin Nov 29 #16
You're welcome. And I am so relieved you are considering doing small conversion amounts at a time nmmi Nov 29 #18
You are so nice to be relieved on my account. Thank you. Susan Calvin Nov 29 #19
I do a small rollover like this every year Shermann Nov 29 #3
Thanks. Susan Calvin Nov 29 #4
Form 1040-ES Estimated Tax for Individuals mahatmakanejeeves Nov 29 #5
Oh thank you! Susan Calvin Nov 29 #6
You should get your November monthly statement from whoever runs your IRA in a few days. mahatmakanejeeves Nov 29 #7
Oh great, one more thing to deal with. Susan Calvin Nov 29 #8
She will have no capital gains to separate out kansasobama Nov 29 #28
You don't have to wait to Jan 15. We pay the last estimated around the middle of December question everything Nov 29 #14
I think yours is the best advice I have received, Susan Calvin Nov 29 #12
I don't know your age. But I converted part of my IRA to a Roth at 64 one year before doc03 Nov 29 #9
I hadn't thought about that. Susan Calvin Nov 29 #10
Oh ouch. Susan Calvin Nov 29 #11
Are both the traditional and Roth with the same custodian? No forms are needed question everything Nov 29 #13
They are. It was only the estimated taxes I was concerned about. Susan Calvin Nov 29 #17
Also, depending on the amount you may be subjected to Alternative Minimum tax. question everything Nov 29 #20
Oh it's nowhere near enough for that. Susan Calvin Nov 29 #21
You might consider NOT doing any Roth conversions -- nmmi Nov 29 #22
Thank you for all the detailed advice. Susan Calvin Nov 29 #23
Interesting - 20 years is my base case default assumption on longevity in my spreadsheet nmmi Nov 29 #24
Oh I'm sure it's not too intuitive. Susan Calvin Nov 29 #25
If you can, spread it out until 2032 kansasobama Nov 29 #26
I'm not worried. I don't think I ever said or implied that I was. Susan Calvin Nov 29 #31
Penalty is minimal even if you do not pay estimated taxes on time kansasobama Nov 30 #37
Another sugestion when you convert from a IRA to the Roth if you have enough doc03 Nov 29 #27
Good advice although kansasobama Nov 29 #29
Absolutely. One advice that I keep reading consistently, is to never pay taxes from an IRA account, always pay the nmmi Nov 29 #30
I'm glad I asked the question, as long as y'all didn't mind replying. Susan Calvin Nov 29 #33
And then there is the NOT-simple matter about how much estimated tax to pay nmmi Nov 30 #34
I don't think that's going to be a problem in my particular case, but Susan Calvin Nov 30 #35
I use TurboTax to do my taxes and file online. Then when I get it right I print my tax return to have a permanent nmmi Nov 30 #36
Yes, that was my plan. Susan Calvin Nov 29 #32
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