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In reply to the discussion: Former NYC School Chancellor Joel Klein Is Not Telling the Whole Truth About His Personal History [View all]HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)45. oh baloney.
Last edited Tue Oct 16, 2012, 10:50 PM - Edit history (1)
"...the objective of "public housing" when it was created in the early 1930s was what you say, but by the early 1950s (about 20 years later) that objective had changed dramatically, not how you portray it."you keep talking about 'public housing' in generalities, like it was all the same. it wasn't, as you'd know if you'd bothered to read the article or the posts in this thread.
woodside houses wasn't even *built* until 1949, for god's sake, and klein's family moved there in 1955, when he was 9. It was middle-class housing when klein's family lived there, as I've demonstrated *with photos and information from the period*, which you ignore. Not to mention photos from his high school during the same period, his (middle-class, jewish) classmates of the same period, etc.
For some reason, despite all evidence, you want to believe klein grew up poor in 'the projects'. Probably because you've bought into the narrative of 'good teachers/bad teachers' as is clear from your post about 'good teachers making the difference'.
No, he grew up in a middle-class jewish community in astoria in the 50s.
And I went to school in the 50s and 60s & had plenty of *terrible* teachers. Yet i went to college & fulfilled all the middle-class expectations. Because I grew up in a functional working-class community, where people had jobs and parents valued education.
"...he NEVER said his parents couldn't read - I KNEW you would cite that quote - and figured it would be out of context."
Baloney. The meaning is clear from the full quote, & if you can't see it, you need to work on your own reading skills.
Klein: "Teachers set expectations for me that were not commensurate with my background or my familys income....Nobody in (my) school said to me, Well, you grew up in public housing, your parents dont read, youve never been to a museum, so we shouldnt expect too much from you!"
He's clearly saying that teachers' expectations of him were ABOVE what his (fictionally economically and academically impoverished) background might warrant. IOW, "Even though I grew up in public housing, even though my parents couldn't read, even though I'd never been to a museum, my teachers didn't focus on that, they expected a lot of me."
It's not the only place Klein dishonors his parents:
"I stood on the shoulders of teachers to see a world that I couldnt have seen growing up in the family that I grew up in."
No one in my family....knew about college. I had no appreciation of reading or cultural activities.
By most peoples lights, we were certainly working-class, poor. I grew up in a pretty unhappy household.
"surely you're knowledeable enough to know that no one gets through the 10th grade or graduates from high school without being able to read."
Yes, & I also know that the idea that a middle-class (or even working-class) jewish family in 1950s-60s NYC didn't know anything about college, reading or culture is equally laughable. Yet that is what klein said.
He's a liar, he dishonors his parents and his own history, and he's lying in order to destroy the public education system that nurtured him, to fill his own pockets. He's a world-class asshole.
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Former NYC School Chancellor Joel Klein Is Not Telling the Whole Truth About His Personal History [View all]
xchrom
Oct 2012
OP
Public housing 60 years ago was built for returning war veterans and their family..
no_hypocrisy
Oct 2012
#1
"Public housing projects" were created in 1933 during the Roosevelt Administration....
George II
Oct 2012
#6
The point of the post is clearly that not all public housing was "the projects"
starroute
Oct 2012
#7
Public housing in NYC (I grew up in Brooklyn too - was born only 2 years after he was)....
George II
Oct 2012
#8
not only does he lie by implying woodside houses = 'the projects,' he impugns his parents' memory
HiPointDem
Oct 2012
#41
People don't "lie" by "implying" - it's in the hands and minds of the listener or reader.......
George II
Oct 2012
#42
Why? Because what is being said about him in the sweeping proclamations about him is.......
George II
Oct 2012
#46
weren't you going away? wasn't that your last post? take it up with the writer, who grew up
HiPointDem
Oct 2012
#47
All you say about those disqualifying factors and and "filters" had been abandoned by 1955......
George II
Oct 2012
#48
take it up with the writer. you're the one with no material facts. you've posted nothing but
HiPointDem
Oct 2012
#49
I read the words the way they were written, not how I want them to be written, as you've done.
George II
Oct 2012
#50
the fact is that the public housing project klein lived in was neither a low-income 'project' nor
HiPointDem
Oct 2012
#19
And what is the most important component of those excellent schools? GOOD teachers.
George II
Oct 2012
#14
impossible to keep politics out of *any* kind of education -- private, public, religious, etc. all
HiPointDem
Oct 2012
#29
i'm not clear on what you mean by politics, as in 'how to,' testing, etc. could you give an
HiPointDem
Oct 2012
#25
if you could give me an example of what you mean. there's always been an intersection of
HiPointDem
Oct 2012
#28