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21. After I thought about it, but haven't verified: on Plug-in Hybrids --
Sat Sep 14, 2024, 07:02 PM
Sep 14

When the battery has some charge in it, then it's just like an EV as far as efficiency, maybe even better since it isn't lugging around as large a battery pack as an EV. A fully charged battery will power the car in fully electric mode for 40 miles (Chevy Volt). I didn't check the date of the article, but I think 50-60 miles is more common now-a-days for how long the battery lasts.

When I wrote my epistle, I was thinking that when the battery is exhausted, it was just like a conventional ICE car, or a little worse because of the weight of the battery pack requires some extra energy to lug.

Now I'm thinking that when the battery is exhausted, it becomes like a conventional hybrid car. I don't know why it wouldn't be designed that way. i.e. a PHEV is essentially a conventional hybrid with a larger battery pack and a cord and plug.

On complexity to understand - it's probably not hard, I just haven't found a good source. I don't think the people who wrote those articles that I excerpted at length really understood what they were writing about, so we've got this muddled garbage because I don't either.

On complexity to operate -- I think the only difference compared to a conventional hybrid or an ICE car is to remember for the best economy and least carbon emissions, is to plug in once one gets home (or has a couple or more hours of stationary time somewhere and a place to plug it in for a partial refresh). And that's it (I'm sure one won't forget to unplug before driving off, with the big cord there and all that, and I understand that some-or-most models won't let you start or move if its plugged in. And remembering to plug in - I would guess the dashboard would make one very well aware of the battery.

It seems to me it would be just one of the small adaptations one makes for environmental reasons. When I get done with a can of something, I remember to rinse the can and throw it into the recycle container in my kitchen rather than into the general trash basket. Back before recycling, I'd throw everything in the one trash basket.

Anyway, when the battery is exhausted, then I think it's just like a conventional hybrid (but a little heavier with the bigger battery pack so would be a little less mpg than a conventional hybrid).

I was hoping someone who really understands PHEVs would respond by now, but oh well.

Myself, I can very easily afford a car, but have made do without for more than 5 years. This in the middle of Golden Valley where transit is sparse, but I make do with what transit there is, and its only a dollar round trip (for age 65+ or age 6-12 or Medicare card holders, or someone who quailifies for low income assistance) if one starts their trip between 9 am and 3 pm and starts their return trip within 2 1/2 hours. Or $2 round trip if one doesn't return within 2 1/2 hours, as long as both legs are started within the 9a-3p time period. Otherwise $2 or $2.50 per leg in the worst case.

Details: https://www.metrotransit.org/fares

That page doesn't seem to cover the transit assistance program (TAP) (later: it does with a pull down at near the bottom of the page), so here's the link to that. Essentially they pay $1 even during rush hours.
https://www.metrotransit.org/tap-riders

And walking is good exercise which I very much need. My last car repair experiences weren't good, so I'm glad I don't have that hassle.

I'm looking into buying a Toyota hybrid iemanja Sep 13 #1
Plug-in Hybrids - about 8 to 12 hours for a fully charge using ordinary 120 V circuit progree Sep 14 #11
It seems complicated iemanja Sep 14 #14
I test drove 2 Rav 4 hybrids today and I fell in love. 1WorldHope Sep 13 #2
I've been thinking about the Corolla Cross hybrid because it's smaller iemanja Sep 14 #15
I messed up my front end on my impreza subaru the first day i drove it. 1WorldHope Sep 14 #17
The first day iemanja Sep 14 #18
I was, but I never bothered fixing it because I kept doing it. 1WorldHope Sep 14 #25
Conventional hybrids get ONE HUNDRED PERCENT of their energy from gasoline (or diesel), so anyone progree Sep 13 #3
Those are the facts, yes. But the goal right now is for everyone reduce their carbon foot print. PortTack Sep 14 #5
I switched to EVs over a decade ago. NEVER going back. tinrobot Sep 14 #9
Happy that you like your EV. Here in the MW, cities like Chicago EV charging during cold weather can be an absolute PortTack Sep 14 #13
Ice cold Norway just passed 90% of new car sales as EVs. tinrobot Sep 14 #16
The average Norwegian drives 7600 miles per year NickB79 Sep 14 #20
Not really. 14K miles per year is only about 40 miles per day. tinrobot Sep 14 #27
This OP was about a stock Prius and a guy who got amazing mileage from it....NOT about EVs and your PortTack Sep 15 #29
I responded to the post immediately above me. tinrobot Sep 15 #39
Your chargers are burning natural gas and coal, but of course you didn't respond to that! PortTack Sep 16 #41
Don't forget, your toaster and TV set are also burning gas and coal. tinrobot Sep 16 #42
Are they no better than regular gasoline engines? iemanja Sep 14 #19
After I thought about it, but haven't verified: on Plug-in Hybrids -- progree Sep 14 #21
I'm talking about the difference between a combustible engine and a non-plug in hybrid iemanja Sep 14 #22
Oh, a conventional hybrid is definitely better than an ICE car as far as fuel efficiency and emissions progree Sep 14 #23
Okay, thanks. nt iemanja Sep 14 #24
Your welcome. Thanks for the questions. Good luck with your purchase 😊 /nt progree Sep 14 #26
I found something that's pretty good explanation of a conventional (non-plug-in) hybrid progree Sep 15 #28
What kind of hybrid is this? iemanja Sep 15 #34
I don't know - I'm not having any luck with your link progree Sep 15 #35
Is this better iemanja Sep 15 #36
Definitely a conventional (not plug-in) hybrid progree Sep 15 #37
Right, I knew that iemanja Sep 15 #38
One can pretend that electricity ISN'T generated overwhelmingly by fossil fuels at a huge thermodynamic penalty... NNadir Sep 15 #32
I'm well aware that the U.S. grid, on average, is 60% fossil fuel. What I'm saying is that progree Sep 15 #33
It is technically straight forward, although popularly not recognized or embraced to make ICE's nearly carbon neutral. NNadir Sep 15 #40
God, please don't get me stuck behind a hypermiler. NBachers Sep 14 #4
I've had two Prius...they are really great cars and I definitely have reduced my carbon foot print PortTack Sep 14 #6
I'm on my 2nd Prius chowmama Sep 14 #7
It's great that he did it, but the last part is basically a Toyota ad that slams EVs tinrobot Sep 14 #8
I've got a European spec Yaris Cross hybrid. shotten99 Sep 14 #10
It's not just the mileage that counts. My 12+ y/o Prius has had to have only Wonder Why Sep 14 #12
I'm saving my 12 yr old Prius for my daughter NickB79 Sep 15 #30
Mine goes to grandson in 2 years when he turns 16. Wonder Why Sep 15 #31
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