Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

NNadir

(34,661 posts)
24. The reality is, reported with references, that Germany is deindustrializing because of high energy prices.
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 07:50 PM
Nov 9

If I were avoiding references, and just whining off the top of my head, I wouldn't be commenting on what reality is and is not.

That's just me though.

Text from the reference I just provided, and will link again: Big adjustment! Basf quietly closed 11 factories in Germany and transferred to China for plant investment!

...Energy crisis aftereffects! Most overseas chemical revenue fell!

It all starts with the energy crisis in Europe after the Russia-Ukraine crisis.

Since 2022, the slowdown in the global economy, geopolitical tensions caused the chemical industry to face a number of problems such as shrinking demand, supply chain shocks and declining market expectations, resulting in a decline in the industry since the high point in 2021. According to the current 2023 annual financial report released by domestic and overseas giants, in the face of high oil prices and falling chemical prices, the performance of global chemical giants is generally under pressure, and the industry as a whole is seeking a breakthrough in weak demand.

According to the performance of the 15 important chemical giants in the world, the performance of the global chemical giants in 2023 generally declined (13/15, accounting for 86.67%). In terms of profits, in addition to Mitsubishi Chemical rose 511%, Wanhua Chemical barely increased, the rest without exception plummeted (13/15, accounting for 86.67%), of which Lotte Chemical plunged 975%, Evonik Industries AG plunged 126%, DuPont fell 92.8%, Formosa Plastic Group fell 80%. From the partial results of the first quarter of 2024, the situation has not improved.

An important reason for the sharp fall in profits: excessive cost increases. Since the conflict between Russia and Ukraine, Russia's gas supply to Europe has continued to decrease, and the gas supply of "Nord Stream 1" once dropped to 0. This has forced Europe to use high levels of natural gas as an alternative fuel. European gas prices ($4.8 / mmBTU) and electricity prices (€0.05 / KWH) are still higher than pre-pandemic levels...


Oh wait!!! I'm sorry!!! So called "renewable energy" is cheap! I read it all the time, right here, where some people are apparently living in that "renewable energy" nirvana that's always getting here, "by 1990," "by 2000," "by 2010," "by 2020," and as I read today, "by 2030." It's "cheap" if everyone is willing to turn of the lights, huddle in the dark, stay out of work, go nowhere, shudder in the cold because of an episode, no matter how long it lasts, of Dunkelflaute. Otherwise they have to pay the climate and economic costs of redundancy.

Household electricity prices worldwide in December 2023, by select country

Germany is reported to be tied with the UK for the 4th highest electricity prices in the world.
There is one good thing about wind energy and gay texan Nov 6 #1
Eric Idle on the cross. NNadir Nov 7 #4
Energy.gov U.S. Department of Energy Projects Strong Growth in U.S. Wind Power Sector OKIsItJustMe Nov 6 #2
I've been on DU for almost 22 years. If printed, I could fill a large box with all the soothsaying I've heard... NNadir Nov 7 #5
Non sequitur OKIsItJustMe Nov 7 #6
22 Years ago, you were a true believer in Nuclear Power OKIsItJustMe Nov 7 #7
Thank you for claiming that you know better than I do what I was thinking 22 years ago. NNadir Nov 7 #8
For 22 years, you've discounted anything and everything which was not nuclear fission. OKIsItJustMe Nov 7 #9
It's amusing to hear that there are people... NNadir Nov 8 #10
"Cult Thinking" OKIsItJustMe Nov 8 #11
There are no number times that idiotic videos purportedly about myths can be posted that can make 8 + 8 equal 30. NNadir Nov 8 #12
IEA: World Energy Outlook 2024 - Pathways for the energy mix OKIsItJustMe Nov 9 #16
One can look at Table A.1.a on page 296 of the 2024 WEO to see how electricity is generated on this planet. NNadir Nov 9 #17
IEA: Solar and wind to lead growth of U.S. power generation for the next two years OKIsItJustMe Nov 9 #19
Oh wow. More soothsaying. The unit of energy, as people should learn in high school, is the Joule, not the Watt. NNadir Nov 10 #26
More nonsense OKIsItJustMe Nov 11 #27
Really, the claim that the Watt is not a unit of energy is nonsense? NNadir Nov 11 #28
Global renewables: Pioneering the energy transition DW Documentary OKIsItJustMe Nov 6 #3
The "Energy Transition" is a fucking lie; it doesn't exist, and delusional videos can't make it exist. NNadir Nov 9 #13
As I have said from the beginning of my time on DU Finishline42 Nov 9 #14
Yes, I know very well what apologists for the German burning of coal in 2024 say. I hear it all the time. NNadir Nov 9 #15
Eurostat: Renewables take the lead in power generation in 2023 OKIsItJustMe Nov 9 #20
IEA: CO2 emissions per capita in Germany OKIsItJustMe Nov 9 #21
Wow!!!! We're saved!!!! Germany leads the world!!!!! Who cares if they're burning coal???? It's GREEN coal afterall. NNadir Nov 9 #22
"It's all ... bullshit with no connection to the reality, typical of the type, delusional and quite toxic." OKIsItJustMe Nov 9 #23
The reality is, reported with references, that Germany is deindustrializing because of high energy prices. NNadir Nov 9 #24
Electricity prices in Germany rose because of fossil fuel prices (not renewables as you imply) OKIsItJustMe Nov 9 #25
'Wind and solar overtook fossil fuels' - ? John ONeill Nov 9 #18
Latest Discussions»Issue Forums»Environment & Energy»Should the Phoenix Arise;...»Reply #24