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OKIsItJustMe

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15. Powering transport with "Green Hydrogen"
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 02:39 PM
Nov 20
… Cargo ships will eventually run on green hydrogen as will commercial airplanes because batteries carry too much weight and need to be charged much more frequently than filling these modes of transportation with green hydrogen..


They may very well eventually do this (I’m an advocate.) However, the technology to accomplish that is not available today (R&D continues) and, even if it were, we do not have time to either retrofit the various fleets, or replace them all.

Today, it is easier to replace their fuel with something which is either generated using electricity or (indirectly) from “green hydrogen” (like “green ammonia” for example.)

https://newatlas.com/energy/green-ammonia-primer-clean-fuel/
Indeed, in many ways, ammonia does a better job of storing hydrogen than hydrogen gas itself; H2 is notorious for leaking away through the metal walls of containers, for embrittling steel it comes into contact with, and for taking a lot of energy to liquefy at cryogenic temperatures. And then there's density: it may sound weird, but there's one and a half times more hydrogen in a gallon of ammonia than there is in a gallon of hydrogen, all else being equal.



Today, “bio-diesel” is (essentially) being made from food.

This is not sustainable, but it is seeing increasing use, converting large areas of forest into farms to produce it.


Like “green hydrogen” this is a way to generate fuel using electricity. Unlike “green hydrogen” it also uses CO₂, and creates an alternative fuel that could be used by today’s fleet. (It too requires R&D.)

https://source.washu.edu/2024/11/researchers-create-novel-electro-biodiesel-more-efficient-cleaner-than-alternatives/
“This research proves the concept for a broad platform for highly efficient conversion of renewable energy into chemicals, fuels and materials to address the fundamental limits of human civilization,” Yuan said. “This process could relieve the biodiesel feedstock shortage and transform broad, renewable fuel, chemical and material manufacturing by achieving independence from fossil fuel in the sectors that are fossil-fuel dependent, such as long-range heavy-duty vehicles and aircraft.”

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Disel is one of the dirtiest burning fossil fuels GoreWon2000 Nov 18 #1
Right. More immediately, diesel exhaust can cause heart attacks OKIsItJustMe Nov 18 #2
No such thing as "clean diesel" GoreWon2000 Nov 18 #3
Uh, this is not "clean diesel" (like "clean coal.") OKIsItJustMe Nov 18 #4
It's all snake oil GoreWon2000 Nov 20 #11
Please go back and read the OP - better yet, follow the links I provided OKIsItJustMe Nov 20 #12
Curious, where are your schooling and work credentials on this issue? GoreWon2000 Nov 20 #13
You have obviously mistaken me for an opponent OKIsItJustMe Nov 20 #14
My engineer father's credentials are totally relevant GoreWon2000 Nov 21 #17
Powering transport with "Green Hydrogen" OKIsItJustMe Nov 20 #15
Reading articles isn't actual expertise GoreWon2000 Nov 21 #16
I take it your father is recently deceased. You must miss him. I am sorry for your loss. OKIsItJustMe Nov 21 #18
You're NOT an engineer GoreWon2000 Nov 21 #19
Please understand, I do not disrespect your father's credentials. I know you are very proud of them. OKIsItJustMe Nov 21 #20
My engineer father was way ahead GoreWon2000 Nov 22 #21
Your engineering credentials are to make such comments? GoreWon2000 Nov 24 #30
Snake oil would work too! FullySupportDems Nov 23 #27
The fossil fuel that currently creates most electricity will run out GoreWon2000 Nov 23 #24
Permit me to correct you a little. Yes, there is a term "Clean Diesel" in the industry... CoopersDad Nov 22 #22
Bio-diesel is not a solution GoreWon2000 Nov 23 #23
I never said it was a solution. But it's better than fossil fuels until we can do better than we do now. CoopersDad Nov 23 #28
Green hydrogen is the solution GoreWon2000 Nov 24 #29
But bio diesels have much different emissions FullySupportDems Nov 23 #26
Bio-diesel involves growing corn or sugar cane GoreWon2000 Nov 24 #31
I understand, it's not a good use of resources FullySupportDems Nov 25 #32
Wow!!!! We're saved! Of the 11300 CO2 to C2 electrochemical papers... NNadir Nov 18 #5
No we're not OKIsItJustMe Nov 18 #6
Look, I fully recognize that nuclear power will not... NNadir Nov 18 #7
Six words stopped nuclear power OKIsItJustMe Nov 18 #8
Um no. What stopped nuclear power was selective attention driven by deliberate ignorance driven by propaganda. NNadir Nov 18 #9
I guess you don't bother to try to understand things you don't want to OKIsItJustMe Nov 18 #10
Um...um...um..."atoms for peace" prevented, as of 2013, 65 billion tons of carbon dioxide. NNadir Nov 23 #25
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