Environment & Energy

You're taking this personally. Please don't. I'm not attacking you, I'm attacking what you wrote, impeaching it with authoritative information you can read for yourself. I'm trying to help you and others understand this subject better.

To be a liberal is to take in all of the information that is available, weed through the facts from the chaff, to form a logical conclusion. I'm a liberal. And welcome to DU.

@hlthe2b ...anyone who repeatedly denies that Ethanol is not corrosive is beyond uneducated in basic chemistry.

@hlthe2b Telling DUers to ignore their own manufacturer's own evidence for what is safe to use in their specific model and year of car is so beyond indefensible

Those two statements from you are both Straw man fallacies. I never said either. If you read any of my posts or searched them, I never stated that Ethanol was not corrosive. In fact, I consistently eluded to that very fact by my repeated use of the differences between how it is safe to use with an "engine," however higher levels of ethanol in the 15% - 85% require "fuel systems" made for such exotic ethanol flex-fuel ratios. Thus, if your vehicle's owner's manual says it was designed and warranted to use gasoline with up to 10% ethanol, that's what you should use.

I've been consistent, because I've studied this material for years. I have, wow more than I care to confess to having, more than my fair share of authoritative references on this subject, peer reviewed studies, lab studies, and governmental linked documents, all at my fingertips. One set of evidence builds upon the next which builds upon the next, etc., etc., etc... And much of it relies on the knowledge that comes from chemistry, not unverified or A.I. generated blogs. Which again, when it comes to ethanol being safe for engines, there's a whole industry out there supporting vehicle owners converting from gasoline to E85 ethanol or methanol applications. It's not only safe for their engines, I use what I've learned in my ICE vehicles. And I use it against my peers who don't understand this topic.

My E10 running vehicles outrun and outperform their similar vehicles. And it pisses them off to no end. So if you still think I'm wrong on any of what I've written, man, after thumping them on their heads for going on 18 years and 200,000 miles, it feels so good to be wrong! -- Now that is hearsay! Don't believe any of it.


People are doing these conversions and finding that E85 ethanol use in particular and E10 use to a lesser degree cleans hydrocarbon engine deposits, dries fuel systems and extends the life of their vehicles. Less hydrocarbon engine deposits mean more power overall and this should be right up all of our alleys, fewer engine hot-spots that could trigger engine damaging combustion mixture pre-ignition.