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pumaman

(5 posts)
60. the flat earth irony
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 01:08 AM
Jul 2012

Flat earthers claimed the earth was, well, flat. That it had two dimensions. This theory started thousands of years ago, and lasted for thousands of years aftwerward. Egyptians invented the most sophisticated instruments, greeks the most elegant mathematics. After years of testing and argument, there was hardly any disputing. Except... certain egyptians who invented the transit noted that their flad earth formulae did not work. They were called crazy, hegemonists, reactionaries. They were told that 90 percent of scientists believed the earth was flat. So round earthers were silenced.

Finally, in the 1400's, legions of data poured in to verify the round earthers. Sir Isaac Newton composed the Theory of Mechanics, based on the fact that the world, our universe, is 3 dimensional. Philosophers could not argue with his logic or data. But For 400 years, they tested it over and over again. Each time, the theory was proven 100%, and I mean physically and mathematically. until finally, about the turn of 1900, virtually everyone accepted Newtonian Dynamics as the one true underlying, God spoken, unquestionable theory of how the universe operated.

And yet their were hints of problems and flaws in Newtons theory. They could not explain the absorption bands of helium, or diffraction. Those folks were hurried off as crackpots and incompetents.

Then, around 1910, some guy named Einstein came around. He said the world was NOT 3 dimensional. That it was four dimensional. He postulated, The earths diameter was not the distance between both sides; it was the distance required for light to travel between both sides.

They called Einstein crazy. But, Physicists begrudgingly could not argue with his logic or data. But for the next 90 years, they relentlessly tested every and all aspects of the theory, in the most incredible and difficult tests imaginable. Every time, each test was 100% conclusive: Newton was wrong. Einstein was right. So after 90 years of testing, with 100 pct undeniable conclusivity, they finally accept Einstein's theory of relativity. For now...

Now we come to climate change. The data for this theory is mostly correlational. There are plenty of holes, and it is far from 100% proven. Advocates consistently make crucial errors of omission, such as radiational variation, as I politiely made in my previous post. Logically then, shall I conclude that man made global warming advocates are thus "round earthers"? ironically both camps are wrong. The earth is not flat. It is not round either. it is 4 dimensional. You are both technically speaking, ignorant of hundreds of years of laborious painstaking testing of scientific facts.

If ever a scientist should dispute a theory, not politically or emotionally, but scientifically, this is the time. And yet when scientists do try to question the theory, they are met with obtuse graphs, followed by political accusations, and as I have seen in the history of this thread, followed by ad hominem attacks and labels, such as "deniers" and "flat earthers", followed by threats of total censorship, then heartbreakingly, by permanent ban for failure of obeyance and toeing the party line.

Now the scientific question then becomes for me is, not whether man made global warming exists, it becomes instead, will I be banned from this site for Questioning Authority. Kinda funny when you think about it, eh? But, Truth is truth, and bending it to fit some pseudo intellectual point du jour is hopeless wishful thinking and bound for failure anyways, so my choice is not really a question at all. I have to try to enlighten, now matter what the consequence. Life and truth is too short and too valuable to risk just for the sake of a membership on some bulletin board.

Man Made global climate change is unproven. Far from it. Mark my words, this could be a fatal political error for Democrats to pile all their eggs into. As fatal for republicans to pour all their eggs into fossil fuel energy.

The E/E pocket reference guide [View all] Dead_Parrot Jan 2012 OP
Need to show longer periods of time Nederland Jan 2012 #1
Oops, those charts appear to be missing the full set of data... Dead_Parrot Jan 2012 #3
I think you are missing the point (as usual) Nederland Jan 2012 #9
If you spend a bit less time reading denier sites... Dead_Parrot Jan 2012 #14
If you spend a bit less time reading CAGW sites... Nederland Jan 2012 #32
Citizens Against Government Waste? Dead_Parrot Jan 2012 #35
The last time we were above 420ppm CO2 we were 20 degrees warmer worldwide IbogaProject Mar 2024 #83
There are some historical charts about energy I'd like to include. bananas Jan 2012 #2
No worries Dead_Parrot Jan 2012 #4
I believe these are helpful OKIsItJustMe Jan 2012 #5
I'll add them to the pile Dead_Parrot Jan 2012 #6
Please note OKIsItJustMe Jan 2012 #22
Corrected, thanks. Dead_Parrot Jan 2012 #23
Easily done OKIsItJustMe Jan 2012 #25
Thanks... Dead_Parrot Jan 2012 #30
Thanks! OKIsItJustMe Jan 2012 #38
Don't forget the ice volume plot from the PIOMAS site. Systematic Chaos Jan 2012 #7
Like this one? XemaSab Jan 2012 #8
The subject line needs work. Kolesar Jan 2012 #10
You have a better subject line? XemaSab Jan 2012 #11
You conferred with the originator. You know better than me what the threads about Kolesar Jan 2012 #12
I don't have a problem with the thread title XemaSab Jan 2012 #17
I'm open to suggestions... Dead_Parrot Jan 2012 #13
At this point, it appears to be a pocket reference for scientific measurements of climate change OKIsItJustMe Jan 2012 #24
I'm hoping to throw in a bunch of energy related ones, also... Dead_Parrot Jan 2012 #27
World Energy Consumption OKIsItJustMe Jan 2012 #39
World Coal Use OKIsItJustMe Jan 2012 #40
Energy-related carbon dioxide emissions OKIsItJustMe Jan 2012 #41
IPCC had nice charts for their report on renewables. FSSF Jan 2012 #45
I was thinking that "Doom On A Stick" has a nice ring to it . . . hatrack Jan 2012 #29
Useful graphs for deniers wtmusic Jan 2012 #15
... Dead_Parrot Jan 2012 #16
. XemaSab Jan 2012 #18
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #73
OMFG jpak Jan 2012 #20
Lol! FBaggins Jan 2012 #21
Great job Xema and DP!! jpak Jan 2012 #19
Methane sources OKIsItJustMe Jan 2012 #26
There's a good global review... Dead_Parrot Jan 2012 #28
That review may be out-of-date OKIsItJustMe Jan 2012 #37
Also, there's XemaSab Jan 2012 #31
Is there a time series or anomaly version of that top one? Dead_Parrot Jan 2012 #33
The context is WE'RE SCREWED! XemaSab Jan 2012 #34
I’m not sure how to interpret this. OKIsItJustMe Jan 2012 #42
It's not about long-term trends XemaSab Jan 2012 #43
OK, got it. OKIsItJustMe Jan 2012 #44
Excellent work, ya'll, this post is epic! joshcryer Jan 2012 #36
Sorry if I'm being dense but does the NOAA CO2 graph show us at 393 ppm? truebrit71 Jan 2012 #46
Why, yes it does... Dead_Parrot Jan 2012 #47
Right, although 350 ppm has been suggested as an initial target OKIsItJustMe Jan 2012 #48
At this point... Dead_Parrot Jan 2012 #49
So here’s the thing OKIsItJustMe Jan 2012 #51
Physically pulling carbon back out the cycle is possible... Dead_Parrot Jan 2012 #52
Right, there are a number of strategies that might be used OKIsItJustMe Jan 2012 #53
Yeah sorry, 350 was the number I meant... truebrit71 Jan 2012 #50
Yeah? So what? Show me PROOF that global warming is real, not just a bunch of charts. Kablooie Feb 2012 #54
this post is full of win! Odin2005 Feb 2012 #55
K&R. wtmusic Feb 2012 #56
Another good one XemaSab Mar 2012 #57
Here's an interesting new graph: XemaSab Jun 2012 #58
radiation energy pumaman Jul 2012 #59
the flat earth irony pumaman Jul 2012 #60
Courtesy of phantom power: XemaSab Aug 2012 #61
I thought those were courtesy of you and hatrack :) phantom power Aug 2012 #62
You codified them XemaSab Aug 2012 #63
May I add some data? AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #64
can you point me to a site where they have the data for CO2 concentration & annual Global mean temps Bill USA Mar 2013 #65
thanks for this... Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #66
+1 truebrit71 Aug 2013 #67
Fantastic Post IPPC Data EnvironmentalVK Jun 2014 #68
Excellent resource... PoutrageFatigue Aug 2014 #69
The Smoking Gun jpak Feb 2015 #70
Thank you for this Novara Apr 2015 #71
Annual Mean CO2 Growth Rate for Mauna Loa, Hawaii OKIsItJustMe Jul 2015 #72
Japanese satellite Arctic ice extent figures, since the American satellite has problems muriel_volestrangler May 2016 #74
change feel free to change BarbaraChipps Apr 2019 #75
Ooops, looks like someone else got shown the door progree May 2019 #76
Can someone clarify the forum rules on "clean energy" discussions? False Progress Mar 2020 #77
Try posting in this Group BumRushDaShow Mar 2020 #78
"I think the Democratic Party has forsaken old environmental protections". Seriously???? marble falls Mar 2020 #79
Current Antarctic Sea Ice OKIsItJustMe Sep 2023 #80
Current Arctic Sea Ice OKIsItJustMe Sep 2023 #81
Current Greenland Ice Sheet OKIsItJustMe Sep 2023 #82
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