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Gormy Cuss

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17. With all due respect, it's far worse here in SF than in cities where the full stop is the law.
Fri Mar 29, 2013, 06:20 PM
Mar 2013

Last edited Sat Mar 30, 2013, 12:28 AM - Edit history (1)

When full stops and lane clearances are the law, drivers behave differently. At simple painted crosswalks (as opposed to fully controlled ones) it's true that drivers must be aware of the potential for pedestrians. Most intersections with or without painted crosswalks are treated as crosswalks, so the properly cautious driver is ALWAYS looking for pedestrians. At fully controlled intersections, drivers tend to slow down rather than speed up on yellow lights to avoid being caught in the crosswalk when the lights change.

Cars wanting to execute a turn must wait until all pedestrian traffic is cleared before beginning the turn. Drivers caught between crosswalks are ripe for citation -IOW, the law views the driver as the problem, not the pedestrians.

BTW if traffic planners note that drivers can't execute turns because of high pedestrian volume, the usual solution is to add turn arrows to the traffic cycle.

As I wrote in your other thread, I'd like to see a return to all-direction stops when the pedestrian WALK cycle commences but I doubt that it will happen until urban traffic planning moves away from car-first thinking. I also think that right on red should be banned in congested areas. Much better to allow right on arrow instead.



They used to have one of those in London, Ontario TrogL Mar 2013 #1
Seems worse in places like NYC and WashDC. ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #2
but it IS a problem in California CreekDog Mar 2013 #7
The drivers seem less aggressive/impatient here than they did on the east coast ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #10
that's anecdotal, the stats are what's important CreekDog Mar 2013 #11
It's beyond horrible in my part of CA. Pedestrians take their lives in their kestrel91316 Mar 2013 #14
I just cross where ever I feel like it. Kalidurga Mar 2013 #3
come on, what about cars behind you when you have a walk signal? CreekDog Mar 2013 #4
I live in Minnesota maybe crossing is different here. Kalidurga Mar 2013 #5
well which is the simpler fix? CreekDog Mar 2013 #6
Oh sorry I really missed an opportunity... Kalidurga Mar 2013 #8
Thank you, I'm sorry for misunderstanding you CreekDog Mar 2013 #9
Less of a problem in states where motorists are required to stop until pedestrians clear the lane. Gormy Cuss Mar 2013 #12
with all due respect, i'm writing this from San Francisco and it's a HUGE problem here CreekDog Mar 2013 #15
With all due respect, it's far worse here in SF than in cities where the full stop is the law. Gormy Cuss Mar 2013 #17
i definitely agree with those ideas CreekDog Mar 2013 #18
The fault lies entirely with negligent drivers. kestrel91316 Mar 2013 #13
yeah but the signaling needs to be fixed to separate them CreekDog Mar 2013 #16
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