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Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
23. The criticism is in the Atlantic article is weak and built on preconceived notions.
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 10:39 PM
Sep 2015

I did take a look at the allegations of anti-Semitism, and I don't think the allegations stick at all, at least the way I define anti-Semitism. I do think the fiction in the New Yorker and the subsequent fiction contest in Mondoweiss was tasteless, all of it.

I can't help but feel that this is an allegation in line with BS definition of "new anti-Semitism", and that it's an attempt to smear Mondoweiss for political purposes. While it's good that that things that are improper are highlighted, like that story on Vittorio Arrigonni (http://mondoweiss.net/2011/04/gaza-mourns-vittorio-arrigoni.html), and the New Yorker fiction parody contest (http://mondoweiss.net/2012/07/read-25-entries-in-new-yorker-fiction-parody-contest), the level of impropriety is much lower than for example MEMRI or the Jerusalem Post. Now when I come to think of it, I don't know of any pro-Israel website that's less partial and biased than Mondoweiss...

However, with the reservations above, I think that the Mondoweiss rebuttal of the article by Rosen refutes his criticism pretty well:

Responding to ‘the Atlantic’ smear on Mondoweiss
Source: Mondoweiss, July 16, 2012


Armin Rosen’s attack on Mondoweiss on the Atlantic website is about nothing more than policing the discourse on Israel. Rosen’s article on alleged anti-Semitism is a shoddy attempt at smearing Alex Kane, Mondoweiss and Peter Beinart. It was sparked by the fact that a mainstream publication, The Daily Beast (on Beinart’s Open Zion blog), had the audacity to publish two articles by Alex that speak in favor of the boycott, divestment and sanctions movement.

Rosen argues The Daily Beast should never publish someone associated with Mondoweiss (or, we’re sure, with the Electronic Intifada, or any other website that pushes the boundaries of our lacking discourse on the Middle East). Why? Because Mondoweiss “often gives the appearance of an anti-Semitic enterprise,” and thus “by vilifying and dehumanizing one side of the conflict, the poison of anti-Semitism makes a constructive, forward-looking discourse far more difficult to achieve.” This coming from someone who defended the term “Islamo-facism.” Usually we’d ignore the kind of shallow and unsubstantiated attack on this website, but the piece appeared in the Atlantic, and Rosen is an Atlantic fellow, so we will meet fire from this quarter with a strong defense.

On Twitter, Rosen promised the “definitive bitch-smacking of Mondoweiss.” You’d think that in order to characterize someone as anti-Semitic (which is actually a libelous accusation, when unsupported), you’d have to really bring the goods. Here are Rosen’s charges as to why Alex Kane should not be published by The Daily Beast:

Phil Weiss wrote an article for the American Conservative which has been associated with Pat Buchanan

Phil Weiss writes about the Israel Lobby

Mondoweiss published a piece from Refaat Alareer a writer in Gaza that questioned the role the Israeli government could have played in the death of Vittorio Arrigoni

Mondoweiss published a piece by Max Ajl which puts the deaths of the Fogel family in the Itamar settlement in the context of the violence of the occupation

Mondoweiss published a piece by Jack Ross (who Rosen implies is a Holocaust denying Nazi sympathizer)

Mondoweiss claims “Iran has never officially denied the Holocaust,” which Rosen admits is factually true
Phil Weiss writes about the role of American Jews in the establishment


Read more: http://mondoweiss.net/2012/07/responding-to-the-atlantic-smear-on-mondoweiss

I agree GitRDun Sep 2015 #1
Hmm, UN Watch... Little Tich Sep 2015 #2
Why not just go to the actual FB posts and make your own judgement? oberliner Sep 2015 #3
I don't think that cartoon is inti-Semtic. ZombieHorde Sep 2015 #27
Are you familiar with the blood libel? oberliner Sep 2015 #28
Perhaps, but then why include the US? nt ZombieHorde Sep 2015 #38
To suggest Jewish control of America? oberliner Sep 2015 #43
Criticism of Israel is not ... 6chars Sep 2015 #45
It could represent Israeli control of the US. nt ZombieHorde Sep 2015 #46
Yes it could oberliner Sep 2015 #50
Netanyahu said America is a thing you can move very easily. ZombieHorde Sep 2015 #54
The message from that cartoon is Jews are bloodthirsty. shira Sep 2015 #29
I think the cartoon is saying Israel and the US are bloodthristy. nt ZombieHorde Sep 2015 #37
But associating a Jewish symbol with drinking a child's blood is a traditional antisemitic trope oberliner Sep 2015 #44
The blood libel didn't involve drinking blood though. ZombieHorde Sep 2015 #47
Kill children and love blood oberliner Sep 2015 #48
You know what I've noticed leftynyc Sep 2015 #4
It's confirmation bias. In Europe & Australia they're bombarded.... shira Sep 2015 #5
You're probably right about leftynyc Sep 2015 #6
Oh, I agree with you totally about sources. No questioning the anti-Israel ones... shira Sep 2015 #7
See post #12. n/t Little Tich Sep 2015 #13
You buy everything Mondoweiss sells despite their odious history. shira Sep 2015 #15
I like Mondoweiss. Little Tich Sep 2015 #17
Just know that when you’re reading Mondoweiss, you’re reading a hate site. oberliner Sep 2015 #18
Just went there to see 6chars Sep 2015 #19
Mondoweiss is an antisemitic hate site. King_David Sep 2015 #20
I don't know how it's possible to believe a fascist hate site can be credible.... shira Sep 2015 #22
The criticism is in the Atlantic article is weak and built on preconceived notions. Little Tich Sep 2015 #23
Mondoweiss: A Vipers' Nest of Antisemites oberliner Sep 2015 #24
I only had to read the second paragraph to get a reaction from my built in BS detector... Little Tich Sep 2015 #25
I've got to ask you to turn up your BS detector oberliner Sep 2015 #30
I would say that Mondoweiss is a voice for the left leaning support for Israel as a democratic Little Tich Sep 2015 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars Sep 2015 #33
You do have a point that Mondoweiss is mostly criticism of Israel, Little Tich Sep 2015 #35
we don't often see eye to eye 6chars Sep 2015 #36
It's reasonable to fear what would happen if Jews in Israel gave political power to the Palestinians Little Tich Sep 2015 #39
It's definitely not that oberliner Sep 2015 #34
"I nowadays feel a wave of irritation whenever I hear the word ‘shalom’ " oberliner Sep 2015 #49
It's indeed a strong indicator for anti-Semitism to feel irritated when hearing the word "Shalom". Little Tich Sep 2015 #51
Tich, do you believe it's possible to support & defend Hamas.... shira Sep 2015 #40
It's indeed possible - I think Jeremy Corbyn is a good example of that. Little Tich Sep 2015 #52
Can you explain how that's possible? shira Sep 2015 #55
I think you should ask that of a Corbyn supporter, not me. Little Tich Sep 2015 #57
First and fourth paragraphs: This! 6chars Sep 2015 #31
Besides being a hate site, which it is, you think Mondoweiss... shira Sep 2015 #21
Mondoweiss is primarily an opinion site. Little Tich Sep 2015 #26
It's a hate site. Here's why...besides supporting Hamas shira Sep 2015 #42
Truth! grossproffit Sep 2015 #8
Fortunately, your suspicions are unfounded. Little Tich Sep 2015 #9
That would be a lot more leftynyc Sep 2015 #10
Vacy Vlazna. Little Tich Sep 2015 #11
Here's my review of the If Americans Knew website: Little Tich Sep 2015 #12
funding by Jewish organizations does not mean non-credible 6chars Sep 2015 #14
Yup. n/t Little Tich Sep 2015 #16
UNRWA teacher posts this image after 4 Rabbis butchered w/ axes shira Sep 2015 #41
How do I know that the bloody axe is connected to dead rabbis - it might as well be support for IS? Little Tich Sep 2015 #53
It was posted on the very same day 4 Rabbis were axed to death in J-lem. n/t shira Sep 2015 #56
Chris Gunness of UNRWA goes full-on antisemitic..... shira Sep 2015 #58
Some folks here were fans of that Mondoweiss BS article as well oberliner Sep 2015 #59
The UNRWA Road to Terror: Palestinian Classroom Incitement shira May 2016 #60
Ugh. That's incitement against Palestinians, alright. Little Tich Jun 2016 #63
How is that incitement against Palestinians? Be clear.... shira Jun 2016 #64
The whole thing is peppered with unrelated clips of Palestinian violence, Little Tich Jun 2016 #65
But UNRWA really is inciting kids to hate & want to kill Jews... shira Jun 2016 #66
I think Bedein should lose his internet privileges and have to go bed without supper. Little Tich Jun 2016 #67
Here's the thing: It's already been proven that UNRWA incites hatred in its schools... shira Jun 2016 #68
Dr. Einat Wilf on Ask the Source discussing UNRWA and the perpetuation of Palestinian refugees Mosby Jun 2016 #61
She should run for PM. n/t shira Jun 2016 #62
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