Israel/Palestine

shira

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50. That's ridiculous.

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:15 PM

Jun 2016

Accusing Israel of being a racist endeavour is legitimate criticism of Israel, but it's included as an example of anti-Semitism.

It's accusing Zionism of being a racist endeavor. When only the Jews are being singled out for their allegedly racist nationalism (equal rights for Jews as a nation) and when only the Jewish state needs to go due to being like all other nations....you know damned well that's antisemitic. Used against any other people or ethnicity, I challenge you to argue with a straight face nothing is wrong with that.

Accusing Netanyahu of exagerating the Holocaust is legitimate criticism of Netanyahu, but it's included as an example of anti-Semitism.

Huh? Who said that? Show me.

Accusing Israel of targeting civilians in Gaza is legitimate criticism of Israel, but it's included as an example of anti-Semitism (blood libel).

Lies are not legitimate criticism of Israel. Lies that incite - and that's one you know incites hatred towards Jews - is antisemitic.

Accusing the IHRA of being pro-Israel trolls is legitimate criticism of a pro-Israel group, but you call it "joodoo", and it's included as an example of anti-Semitism.

The International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA) has a definition of antisemitism that probably 9/10 Jews would agree with, and which 31 western liberal democracies all agree with, but the IHRA are the trolls? They represent mainstream Jewish and Liberal views WRT antisemitism that nearly all Jews would agree with. In effect (not necessarily intent) you think the vast majority of Jews are all wrong about antisemitism & that Jews should not be able to define it. That we're so pro-Israel, we make up shit for political purposes. That's one helluva conspiracy theory.

Which other organizations committed to fighting racism, xenophobia, Islamophobia - other than IHRA and every other Jewish group like the ADL or SWC - have you ever accused of being trolls? It's just the Jews who cannot be trusted to define antisemitism, correct? That's how I'm reading you. If I'm wrong please correct me.

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Thirty one countries adopt working definition of antisemitism [View all] shira May 2016 OP

Here it is.... shira May 2016 #1

millions of Semites are not Jews OR Israelites. anti-semite can be applied to persons who are msongs May 2016 #4

Again with this bullshit... Anti-semitism by definition is hatred of Jews. Any definition. shira May 2016 #5

You're wrong, but to make you happy aranthus May 2016 #6

Calling it what it is, Jew hatred, works for me. n/t shira May 2016 #7

It's ironic. aranthus May 2016 #8

The 31 countries... shira May 2016 #2

And Permanent International Partners who are adopting this... shira May 2016 #3

Now there is a definition of what Anti-Semitism is which is fine Tony_FLADEM May 2016 #9

According to traditional Jewish Law aranthus May 2016 #10

I'm apparently an anti-Semite according to at least 8 of the IHRA criteria. Little Tich May 2016 #11

All western liberal democracies adopted the definition. shira May 2016 #12

I'm not so sure that the same countries that ditched the EU working definition of anti-Semitism Little Tich May 2016 #14

Well, they did adopt the definition. Google it, then deal with it... shira May 2016 #15

Do you have have any proof for your claims? Little Tich Jun 2016 #19

I don't make claims when I lack proof... shira Jun 2016 #22

Do you have have any proof for your claims? n/t Little Tich Jun 2016 #31

Just gave it to you. I'm not responsible for your denial. n/t shira Jun 2016 #32

Obama Administration Anti-Semitism Czar Defines Anti-Zionism As Jew Hatred shira Jun 2016 #23

From March: US says Europe needs 'working definition' of Antisemitism shira May 2016 #17

I'm not really sure who's downplaying the bombing of a synagogue as mere anti-Israel criticism. Little Tich Jun 2016 #30

You proved the point. Firebombing a synagogue in Sweden is not anti-Israel. shira Jun 2016 #33

Oops, I think you misunderstand me - the bombing of a synagogue in Germany was an anti-Semitic act. Little Tich Jun 2016 #36

But you refused to acknowledge that in our discussion on Atzmon last July. shira Jun 2016 #37

I'm not sure what you refer to. Little Tich Jun 2016 #40

I bumped that thread and replied to one of your last posts... shira Jun 2016 #42

I think that most of us here have already figured that out. Fozzledick May 2016 #13

Jewish trolls are now being accused of pulling fast one w/ this working definition... shira May 2016 #16

the Jews, gays, women, POCs, etc always get blamed for peope hating them dlwickham Jun 2016 #51

I suspect you don't give a rat's arse about the very real dangers of extending the definition of Little Tich Jun 2016 #18

You seem to think we can't see what you're doing. Fozzledick Jun 2016 #20

I'll stick to the old definition that anti-Semitism means Jew-hatred. Little Tich Jun 2016 #21

That old definition blinded you into thinking Gilad Atzmon's criticism was legit. shira Jun 2016 #24

Interestingly, I consider Atzmon to be an anti-Semite, Little Tich Jun 2016 #29

But not because of anything Atzmon wrote or said which is clear hate towards Jews. shira Jun 2016 #34

For me it's pretty clear that Atzmon is referring to the idea that burning a synagogue is considered Little Tich Jun 2016 #41

"I'm not going to say whether it is right or not to burn down a synagogue... shira Jun 2016 #43

Even more Atzmon - Holocaust Denial - that didn't faze you according to your warped definition.... shira Jun 2016 #25

Your subjective old definition of Jew hatred led to you defending Mahmoud Abbas.... shira Jun 2016 #26

"Unlike Netanyahu, Abbas has understood the truth about the Holocaust, and the horrible accusation Little Tich Jun 2016 #28

What truth does Abbas understand? All he said was that the Shoah was horrible.... shira Jun 2016 #35

Mahmoud Abbas Shifts on Holocaust Little Tich Jun 2016 #38

And yet Abbas still maintains Jews colluded with Nazis & are responsible.... shira Jun 2016 #39

Softball question: Is Abbas an antisemite in your view? shira Jun 2016 #44

That's a good question - and I've got no answer to it. n/t Little Tich Jun 2016 #45

That's why a working definition of antisemitism is needed. shira Jun 2016 #46

The thing is that I consider anti-Semitism to be a form of racism. Little Tich Jun 2016 #47

You say I want to include things that aren't racist.... shira Jun 2016 #48

Basically every item on the IHRA list includes things that aren't racist. Little Tich Jun 2016 #49

That's ridiculous. shira Jun 2016 #50

Netanyahu: Hitler Didn't Want to Exterminate the Jews Little Tich Jun 2016 #53

No one made the accusation that calling out Netanyahu for this is antisemitic. shira Jun 2016 #54

Great example of a double-standard. You took Bibi's claim against the Mufti..... shira Jun 2016 #55

I firmly believe that bringing up historical anecdotes in a contemporary political context is a Little Tich Jun 2016 #58

But the Mufti is not the people. You make it seem like any criticism of the Mufti... shira Jun 2016 #60

Bibi a Revisionist and Hitler apologist? What a shameful crock. aranthus Jun 2016 #56

I would say that Netanyahu's attempt to shift the blame for the Holocaust from the Nazis to someone Little Tich Jun 2016 #57

Except that isn't what Bibi was doing aranthus Jun 2016 #59

The next day after the Mufti/Hitler meeting, Heydrich sent out invites to Wannsee.... shira Jun 2016 #62

Keep digging... Netanyahu's arguments don't get more appealing by you proving that he's using Little Tich Jun 2016 #63

Unsubstantiated sources? I just presented facts in that last post you don't like.... shira Jun 2016 #64

Bibi made himself clear days later, that the Nazis were fully responsible... shira Jun 2016 #61

Netanyahu retracted his statements - just like Livingstone did. Little Tich Jun 2016 #65

Interesting. You gave Abbas the benefit of the doubt w/ his Holocaust Denial.... shira Jun 2016 #66

4 articles written by notorious anti-zionist BDS-holes condemning Atzmon's Jew Hate.... shira Jun 2016 #27

Are these anti-zionist BDS'ers who call out Atzmon "pro-Israel trolls"? shira Jun 2016 #52