Israel/Palestine

shira

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28. Purely political. Has nothing to do with actual International law, definitions...

Sat Aug 27, 2016, 11:17 AM

Aug 2016

There is a universally accepted definition of military occupation used for all countries.

Israel does not match that definition in either Gaza or areas A and B of the W.Bank. No matter what the UN says.

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Stop With the Nonsense That Palestinians Are a Minority in Israel [View all] Little Tich Aug 2016 OP

From Gideon Levy, author of: "Israel is an Evil State" oberliner Aug 2016 #1

This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars Aug 2016 #2

Gaza is under Israeli occupation - the wellbeing of the people there is Israel's responsibility as Little Tich Aug 2016 #5

Israel withdrew from every square inch of the Gaza strip in 2005. oberliner Aug 2016 #8

Israel is still the Occupying Power according to the Geneva Convention, sorry... n/t Little Tich Aug 2016 #14

They're not occupying Gaza according to any definition of a military occupation. n/t shira Aug 2016 #21

The UN, international law and the international community considers Gaza to be under Israeli occupat Little Tich Aug 2016 #26

Purely political. Has nothing to do with actual International law, definitions... shira Aug 2016 #28

Before 2005, there were settlements in Gaza as well as a significant Israeli military presence. oberliner Aug 2016 #22

I'm not sure there's any difference whatsoever, at least legally. Little Tich Aug 2016 #25

Does it? Shaktimaan Sep 2016 #40

Israel has full control of all border crossings, Little Tich Sep 2016 #45

What about the crossings controlled by Egypt? Nt hack89 Sep 2016 #46

I don't think that's right. Shaktimaan Sep 2016 #47

You seem to be unaware of the existence of the "Agreement on Movement and Access" from 2005 between Little Tich Sep 2016 #50

No, I'm aware of it. Shaktimaan Sep 2016 #52

It effectively controls everything about Gaza. Fantastic Anarchist Aug 2016 #34

Really? Israel controls Hamas' government, schools, media, police, military? shira Aug 2016 #35

This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars Aug 2016 #37

Perhaps Israel is an evil state - at least when it comes to the treatment of Palestinians? Little Tich Aug 2016 #6

Is that your opinion? oberliner Aug 2016 #7

The purpose of Israel's treatment of Palestininans is to benefit Jewish Israelis at the expense of Little Tich Aug 2016 #9

Israel's occupation has nothing to do with security, terror? shira Aug 2016 #10

There's no way out of the occupation. Little Tich Aug 2016 #13

Wait - are you saying it's impossible for Israel to end the occupation? shira Aug 2016 #15

It doesn't seem as if Israel wants two states - Little Tich Aug 2016 #16

You don't seem to want the occupation to end. It CANNOT end in your opinion.... shira Aug 2016 #17

Because the goal of BDS is two states, or at least better conditions for the Palestinians under Little Tich Aug 2016 #18

Show me where BDS' goal is 2 states. It's certainly not a Jewish one next to a Palestinian state... shira Aug 2016 #19

It's my firm belief that a viable Palestinian is impossible without the complete removal of all the Little Tich Aug 2016 #24

Your belief is more rigid/extreme than the PA. You don't want 2 states.... shira Aug 2016 #27

We seem to agree on one thing though - the settlements won't be removed... Little Tich Aug 2016 #29

Why do you support BDS when it says it's against an occupation you believe.... shira Aug 2016 #30

I disagree with your assertion that BDS has a goal that's connected to either the one or two state Little Tich Aug 2016 #32

So why did you state in #18 that the BDS goal is 2 states when that's false? shira Aug 2016 #33

The goal of BDS is primarily to promote Palestinian rights by opposing Apartheid and the occupation. Little Tich Aug 2016 #36

Omar Barghouti says the 3 tier plan means 1 Palestinian state next to another Palestinian state.... shira Aug 2016 #38

That's just BS, considering BDS support of Right-of-Return, which is 100% antisemitism. shira Sep 2016 #39

Thanks for sharing your response oberliner Aug 2016 #11

I've actually been to Israel a few times - it's a nice country... Little Tich Aug 2016 #12

My position is that there is no such thing as an "evil" country oberliner Aug 2016 #20

I think you're splitting hairs - a state deliberately causing harm to people is evil regardless Little Tich Aug 2016 #23

So what happens after this "evil" ends & BDS succeeds? shira Aug 2016 #31

LOL .... Israeli Sep 2016 #42

That's not true at all though. Shaktimaan Sep 2016 #41

I don't know of a single instance where Palestinians have been treated equally to Israelis Little Tich Sep 2016 #44

Really? Shaktimaan Sep 2016 #48

I was referring to the Palestinians under occupation in the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza. Little Tich Sep 2016 #49

Ooohhhh, ok. Shaktimaan Sep 2016 #51

So you can't find a single example where the Palestinians in the occupied territories haven't been Little Tich Sep 2016 #53

Sure, there are plenty of singular examples... Shaktimaan Sep 2016 #54

You seem to unaware of the harsh economic conditions for the Palestinian population in the West Bank Little Tich Sep 2016 #55

No, I'm aware. Shaktimaan Sep 2016 #56

I'm not going to quibble with you on different interpretations of details. Little Tich Sep 2016 #57

May be wrong to include Gaza but.... kayecy Sep 2016 #58

No, I don't. Shaktimaan Sep 2016 #59

Levy's an asshole leftynyc Aug 2016 #3

+1 King_David Aug 2016 #4

Hey ... Israeli Sep 2016 #43