Israel/Palestine

shira

(30,109 posts) Sun Aug 28, 2016, 08:05 PM Aug 2016

Ilan Pappe admits that BDS was not initiated by a “call” from Palestinian Civil Society [View all]

"The pretence is politically important because it positions Palestinians as being the initiators of the “call” and people outside the region as passive responders to the voice of “the oppressed”.

Ilan Pappe admits that BDS was not initiated by a “call” from Palestinian Civil Society
August 28, 2016 — David Hirsh

A Palestinian activist and scholar, Ruba Salih, who is chairing a session tries to correct Ilan Pappé at one point, saying:

“Well the Palestinains launched BDS in 2005.”

“Yes, yes,” replies Pappé. He makes a face which shows that he knows that what is being said is not true. “Not really, but yes. OK. For historical records, yes.”

Ruba Salih then smiles, strokes his shoulder and makes clear: “That’s important”.

Pappé replies to her, nodding and smiling, quietly, embarrassed, patronisingly, knowingly: “It’s not true but it’s important.”

https://engageonline.wordpress.com/2016/08/28/ilan-pappe-admits-that-bds-was-not-initiated-by-a-call-from-palestinian-civil-society/

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Ilan Pappe admits that BDS was not initiated by a “call” from Palestinian Civil Society [View all] shira Aug 2016 OP

Chomsky said the same thing back in 2004 shira Aug 2016 #1

Norm Finkelstein admitted this back in 2012. shira Aug 2016 #2

What's the point - boycotts against Apartheid South Africa weren't initiated or led by ANC either... Little Tich Aug 2016 #3

It's one of the many lies of BDS. As Chomsky said... shira Aug 2016 #4

I really can't see how opposing the settlements (which are illegal, btw) is hurting Palestinians. Little Tich Aug 2016 #5

In some ways this reminds me of an older argument GeoWilliam750 Aug 2016 #6

You're quite right. n/t Little Tich Aug 2016 #7

It never ceases to amaze me GeoWilliam750 Aug 2016 #11

So why the lie from BDS that it started within Palestinian society? n/t shira Aug 2016 #12

Why the endless lies from Israel and Israel's right wing supporters? GeoWilliam750 Aug 2016 #15

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This message was self-deleted by its author GeoWilliam750 Aug 2016 #19

You really cannot acknowledge any of BDS' many lies. shira Aug 2016 #10

Please show me then an actual act of BDS which is directed at more than the occupation and the Little Tich Aug 2016 #18

That's easy - depending on how dishonest you'll allow yourself to be with yourself. :) FBaggins Aug 2016 #21

I'm using the Illinois list of BDSers as a guideline, Little Tich Aug 2016 #22

Yes... you're forced to backpedal FBaggins Sep 2016 #23

Groups or individuals calling for BDS isn't the same as actually doing BDS. Little Tich Sep 2016 #24

Why don't YOU just admit you can't tolerate any public dissent against the hard line? Ken Burch Sep 2016 #35

Three points aranthus Aug 2016 #8

Why can't Israel just stop oppressing the Palestinians? Little Tich Aug 2016 #9

Please. If Israel's not oppressing anyone, BDS will still claim they are.... shira Aug 2016 #13

Why can't the Palestinians accept a Jewish state and make peace? aranthus Aug 2016 #14

Since when did civil rights become a radical leftist agenda? Little Tich Aug 2016 #17

That's a load of crap and you know it. aranthus Aug 2016 #20

You're using a very broad brush. Little Tich Sep 2016 #25

Not at all. aranthus Sep 2016 #26

I support BDS because I'm against Apartheid, and I think that BDS is proven method to protest Little Tich Sep 2016 #27

Be honest. aranthus Sep 2016 #28

I believe that a Jewish state is racist if it is a racist Jewish state. Little Tich Sep 2016 #29

Be honest. aranthus Sep 2016 #30

I use American standards for what's considered racist or not. Little Tich Sep 2016 #31

Seriously, be honest. aranthus Sep 2016 #32

By American standards the Jewish State would indeed be racist. Little Tich Sep 2016 #33

What is it with some people and Jim Crow? aranthus Sep 2016 #34

Because there was never any justification for driving all of those people out of their homes. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #38

The Jim Crow system is good analogy for the situation in Israel, Little Tich Sep 2016 #39

It doesn't need to treat Palestinians and its own Arab minority as it currently treats them Ken Burch Sep 2016 #37

The PLO DID accept that. Unfortunately, the Israeli government cared more about crushing the PLO Ken Burch Sep 2016 #36