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shira

(30,109 posts)
1. More from OP...
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 05:59 AM
Sep 2016
In internationally-brokered efforts to resolve these conflicts, the question of the fate of the settlers naturally arose. The answer, across all these very different situations, has always been the same: the settlers stay. Indeed, the only point of dispute has typically been what proportion of settlers receive automatic citizenship in any newly-created state and what proportion merely gets residence status. Thus, when East Timor, for example, received independence in an internationally-approved process, none of the Indonesian settlers were required to leave. The current U.N.-mediated peace plans for Western Sahara and Cyprus not only presuppose the demographically dominant settler population can remain, it gives them a right to vote in referenda on potential deal.

This is not because these settlers are beloved by the surrounding population. The opposite is true. In the Paris peace talks to end the Vietnamese occupation of Cambodia, representatives of the latter tried to raise the possibility of expelling the nearly million Vietnamese settlers. Their arguments were familiar: the settlers remind them of the occupation, rekindle ancient hatreds, and destabilize the peace. Yet the Cambodian demands for the mass removal of ethnic Vietnamese was rejected outright by diplomats: One simply cannot ask for such things.

Indeed, uniform international practice shows that the removal of settlers is an obstacle to peace. In those occupations that have been resolved—East Timor, Cambodia, Lebanon—such demands would have been a complete deal-breaker. And those still subject to international diplomacy, however slim the chances of resolution, there would not even be a pretense of negotiation had demands similar to the Palestinians been made.

In short, the Palestinians couching their objection as one about removing “settlers” rather than Jews does not change the harsh reality. There is simply no precedent in international practice for the demand. Whatever term one uses for such a demand, Netanyahu was clearly right to call attention to the extraordinary nature of the demand. It is also disappointing that, instead of exercising moral leadership on this issue, the ADL went against its mission by seemingly excusing singular treatment for Jews.
More from OP... shira Sep 2016 #1
There is perhaps no better proof of antisemitism WRT settlers than this. n/t shira Nov 2016 #2
What happened to the Israeli settlements built on Egyptian territory? Little Tich Nov 2016 #3
There is no precedent other than Jews needing to be expelled. shira Nov 2016 #4
Do you have a real source to back up your argument? Little Tich Nov 2016 #7
A source for what? That settlements actually exist elsewhere in other occupied territory? shira Nov 2016 #8
Kontorovich's claims seem to be completely incorrect, Little Tich Nov 2016 #9
All because of political expedience. aranthus Dec 2016 #10
Interestingly, I think the settlements should be allowed to stay. Little Tich Dec 2016 #11
Interestingly, I think that they may need to be moved. aranthus Dec 2016 #13
I agree with you. Best case scenario, pretend there's actual peace & 2 states... shira Dec 2016 #15
For me, it would constitute Apartheid to remove an ethnic group in order to make place for another. Little Tich Dec 2016 #16
Do u think it's legal to ethnically cleanse Jews from the W.Bank? shira Dec 2016 #20
Just removing civilians is in itself not Apartheid, IMHO. Little Tich Dec 2016 #21
You keep saying the author's claims are factually untrue, without pointing to specifics. aranthus Dec 2016 #14
I could find six other examples of settlers being removed after occupation Little Tich Dec 2016 #17
Aranthus is right, you're wrong. With your 1st example, Gaddafi expelled Italians... shira Dec 2016 #12
Perhaps you should ask Kontorovich about his view on the removal of settlers in the six other cases Little Tich Dec 2016 #18
What 6 other cases? Be very clear please. I'll tackle 2 at a time if you want. n/t shira Dec 2016 #19
No surprises in there leftynyc Nov 2016 #5
Israel is evil to clowns who support Chavez, Castro, Hamas.... shira Nov 2016 #6
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