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aranthus

(3,386 posts)
2. It's more than that.
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 05:45 PM
Oct 2016

National self determination is a foundational human right. The ability to associate with people who are like you, live like you; who have similar language, customs and ways as you, is a fundamental element of humanity. Denying that right is a denial of an entire people's humanity, even if doing so does not place that people under threat to there existence. And if you are part of that fringe that doesn't believe in nations or states, then you are denying everyone's humanity. And as a Jew, I don't much care if you are hostile to my people because you are in fact hostile to all peoples. It's still antisemitism.

I also disagree that it is theoretically possible to be anti-Zionist and not antisemitic. Except for religious anti-Zionists like Neturei Karta, all anti-Zionism is based on some denial of Jewish national existence.

As an athiest... kristopher Oct 2016 #1
It's more than that. aranthus Oct 2016 #2
Good point. Giving up a nation's sovereignty peacefully is absurd & unheard of. shira Oct 2016 #17
I'm opposed to Zionism because I'm against all forms of nationalism that promote ethnic superiority Little Tich Oct 2016 #3
What's racist is actively opposing Jewish nationalism & no other. n/t shira Oct 2016 #5
What's racist is that your dissolving of the Jewish state leads to dead Jews. shira Oct 2016 #16
London's Ultra Orthodox Jews run daily gauntlet of anti-Semitic abuse shira Oct 2016 #25
I don't like the thought of Jewish people having to keep a packed suitcase under their beds, just in Little Tich Oct 2016 #26
You don't like the thought but that's the situation you prefer for Israeli Jews. shira Oct 2016 #27
Maybe I shouldn't do this, but... Little Tich Oct 2016 #4
What do u disagree with? You know what antisemitism is while no one else does? n/t shira Oct 2016 #6
The "new" definition of anti-Semitism that includes criticism of Israel as a form of anti-Semitism Little Tich Oct 2016 #7
You're a self-appointed expert on racism. Everyone else is dumb... shira Oct 2016 #8
I don't think that my views on what constitutes racism differs from the average person Little Tich Oct 2016 #9
I used your definition to prove writings from Mondoweiss & Gideon Levy.... shira Oct 2016 #10
You have only proved to yourself that those writings were racist. Little Tich Oct 2016 #11
I used your criteria & proved it, but let's compare. Here's Gideon Levy... shira Oct 2016 #12
I challenge you to find someone at JPost more racist & vile than Gideon Levy. shira Oct 2016 #13
In addition to Caroline Glick at the Jerusalem Post, I'll provide an example from the Israeli Minist Little Tich Oct 2016 #14
Not to defend Glick, but how is this at all racist? aranthus Oct 2016 #20
For defining racism, I'll just go with "feelings of antipathy towards an ethnic group"... Little Tich Oct 2016 #21
For defining racism I go with a dictionary. aranthus Oct 2016 #22
Your definition that racism only includes racial groups is too narrow in scope and completely Little Tich Oct 2016 #23
It's the dictionary's definition, not mine. aranthus Oct 2016 #24
Before I respond to your examples, do we agree Gideon Levy is racist? shira Oct 2016 #15
Oops, seems like I forgot about Gideon Levy. Little Tich Oct 2016 #18
How is Glick worse than Levy? Explain by comparison please. n/t shira Oct 2016 #19
Rabbi Sacks on Antizionism = Antisemitism... shira Oct 2016 #28
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