Israel/Palestine

shira

(30,109 posts)

25. Israel is as liberal, democratic & secular as any other nation...

Sat Oct 8, 2016, 08:40 AM

Oct 2016

But that's not the point of this post.

You wrote:

The idea that Arabs can't integrate and participate in a democratic society is awfully similar to the "Eurabia" myth that's being promoted in some circles. I don't believe it's true - the evidence shows that Arabs are normal people too, and have no more difficulties participating in a democratic society than anyone else. (If you prick me, etc...)

You don't have to go far to have your notions about Palestinians refuted, just look at Arab citizens in Israel: the problem isn't that they have problems with Israel or democratic values - the problem is that Israel has a problem with them and try to make it difficult for them to participate in Israel's democracy. They and Israel would only benefit from more democracy, not the opposite.

You're wrong. Maybe 10% are for 1-secular democratic state with equal rights for all.

From 1988:
Of the 1,024 people surveyed, only 10.4 percent shared Mr. Abu-Lughod's dream of a ''democratic, secular'' Palestinian state. Instead, nearly 60 percent dream of a state founded on Islamic law (26.5 percent) or on a hybrid of Islam and Arab nationalism (29.6 percent).
http://www.nytimes.com/1988/05/06/opinion/l-who-wants-a-democratic-secular-palestine-807988.html

From 2011:

About how the respondents identify themselves, the majority, 57%, identified themselves as Muslims, 21% identified themselves as Palestinians first, 19% as human beings first and 5% as Arabs first.
The increase in adherence to religious identity is also reflected in the system preferred by the Palestinian people.
About 40% of the respondents said that they believe that the Islamic caliphate is the best system for Palestinians, 24% chose a system like one of the Arab countries, and 12 % prefer a system like one of the European countries.
http://english.wafa.ps/index.php?action=detail&id=16042

From 2014:
The goal should be to work for a one-state solution in all of the land:
a state in which Arabs and Jews will have equal rights in one country, from the river to the sea.
11.2% (W.Bank) 8.2% (Gaza) 10.1% (Total)
http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/uploads/Documents/other/PalestinianPollingReport_June2014.pdf

You should admit you're wrong.
Neither the Israelis or Palestinians want the "BDS 1-state solution".
90% of Palestinians are against it.

Now you're wrong, aren't you?

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A Closer Look at Students for Justice in Palestine [View all] shira Oct 2016 OP

But but but they have justice in their name 6chars Oct 2016 #1

I think that Canary Mission is a hate site, and that you should avoid promoting it. Little Tich Oct 2016 #2

CUNY confirms SJP anti-Semitism, but declines to ban group shira Oct 2016 #3

One may wonder why you chose to bolster your arguments with an article from a pro-Republican site. Little Tich Oct 2016 #6

Can't condemn SJP racists? Here's CUNY's anti-semitism report... shira Oct 2016 #8

I think you're misreading the CUNY report on the alleged SJP anti-Semitism. Little Tich Oct 2016 #10

SJP wants to bring down the state of Israel & end it. That's antisemitic... shira Oct 2016 #19

Let me see if I get this. aranthus Oct 2016 #4

Here's some more info about the Canary Mission: Little Tich Oct 2016 #5

So you don't have an answer to my challenge. I thought as much. aranthus Oct 2016 #7

Slander is considered protected speech, which makes it possible for a certain Presidential Pretender Little Tich Oct 2016 #12

Just wrong aranthus Oct 2016 #13

I'm not really part of Team Palestine. Little Tich Oct 2016 #16

Still waiting for evidence Canary Mission is printing lies, misinformation... shira Oct 2016 #18

"....where you stand on civil rights & democracy". I call BS.... shira Oct 2016 #22

It's a bit of a stretch to call Israel a secular state already, but that's beside the point... Little Tich Oct 2016 #24

Israel is as liberal, democratic & secular as any other nation... shira Oct 2016 #25

When you actually find something wrong with Canary Mission, let us know... shira Oct 2016 #9

I suppose that the irony of you posting in favor of the notion of free speech in one post (#9), Little Tich Oct 2016 #11

Except Shira didn't post against free speech in post #3 aranthus Oct 2016 #14

I would characterize her posts in favor of banning SJP as being against the notion Little Tich Oct 2016 #15

Wrong again, you see what you want to see. I just want you to condemn SJP. shira Oct 2016 #17

I read the CUNY report on the allegations against SJP. Little Tich Oct 2016 #20

You're deflecting. SJP calls for the destruction of Israel. shira Oct 2016 #21

I don't know of any instance where SJP is calling for Israel's destruction... Little Tich Oct 2016 #23

SJP is part of Omar Barghouti's BDS movement which calls for Israel's destruction... shira Oct 2016 #26

I've read your post, and I still disagree with you. Little Tich Oct 2016 #27

What it means for you is irrelevant. aranthus Oct 2016 #28

I'm sorry - I just assumed that calling for equal rights wasn't considered racist. Little Tich Oct 2016 #29

Uri Avnery calls BS on your BDS demand of right-of-return.... shira Oct 2016 #30

We don't have any common ground on which to have a discussion. aranthus Oct 2016 #31

Let's recap the argument: Little Tich Oct 2016 #32

False recap. aranthus Oct 2016 #33

Ughh, please no... Little Tich Oct 2016 #34

The consequence of my beliefs? aranthus Oct 2016 #35

It actually seems as if we lack common ground for a discussion on this subject. n/t Little Tich Oct 2016 #36