Israel/Palestine
In reply to the discussion: A Closer Look at Students for Justice in Palestine [View all]aranthus
(3,386 posts)You have misrepresented both of our positions. Here's the real argument.
A. Everyone has the right to live anywhere they want in any and all parts of wherever they claim as their ancestral homeland. The cultural nature of the society that would result doesn't matter because no group has the right to express their national identity through the state because that would discriminate against the minority.
B. Every people has the right to a homeland where they can express their national identity through their state. That may sometimes mean that disputed territory has to be split between different groups, and that some people may not be able to return to or live in areas that they claim as theirs. This is because it is more important that each nation have its own place than that individual people or groups have access to every place that they claim is theirs.
One of the primary differences between us is that you reject the importance of national identity, and the right of national self determination. In fact, you falsely ascribe that to racism. Part of the reason for that is that you seem to conflate national and civil rights. The majority has the right to define what the national community is. What language is the common tongue. What history is celebrated as national history. What customs predominate in business and personal affairs. What you call racism is in fact how everyone else lives. that's what states are for. They exist to defend a way of life. So the cultural demographic make up of a state matters very much. That isn't racism. In fact, it has nothing to do with race. It's about ideas, beliefs, and values. That is what matters, because that is how people live. It is how societies are created and survive. You claim that destroying Israel means only the physical destruction of the state, but that is false. A state is primarily a cultural artifact. Radically change the culture and you have destroyed the state. Change Israel from a Jewish state into an Arab state (which is what RoR and BDS are all about) and you have destroyed Israel as a cultural artifact, even if it still exists as a physical one.