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shira

(30,109 posts)
25. London's Ultra Orthodox Jews run daily gauntlet of anti-Semitic abuse
Thu Oct 13, 2016, 08:45 AM
Oct 2016
Local activists say hate crime figures 'tip of iceberg' and abuse rarely gets reported in capital.

Children as young as eight are among the victims subjected to daily physical and verbal abuse within London's ultra Orthodox Jewish (Charedi) communities, according to a month-long study.

According to a survey carried out by Stamford Hill Shomrim, a neighbourhood-watch scheme in north London, there's at least one anti-Semitic attack on identifiable Jewish people every day in the capital, with the victims ranging from young children to mothers with their babies.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/londons-ultra-orthodox-jews-run-daily-gauntlet-anti-semitic-abuse-1585699

Tich,

Is this what you believe Jews deserve worldwide as minorities within the nations they live? This is what Jews risk by losing self-determination & sovereignty in our historical homeland. This is why antizionism is antisemitic in effect, if not in intent. What we now see in London - and it would be 100x worse within an Arab majority Palestine - is good enough for Jews in your view, right? I can tell you from our perspective, knowing the past few thousand years of history, the Jews aren't going back to pre-Holocaust conditions as barely tolerated guests within the nations of the world. Jews won't give up their sovereignty in Israel without a fight - and that's what you're advocating. It's certainly not peace you're proposing WRT a full Palestinian right of return of millions. We face obliteration in Israel with a full RoR. Anyone looking at the rest of the Jew free mideast knows that, where Christians, Bahai, and Yazidis are nearly extinct no thanks to an uncaring world (see Syrian genocide). Jews are hated even more than Christians, Bahai, and Yazidis. This is why antizionism is antisemitic.

You have no answer to this. I imagine the best you have in response is that "justice" requires a full RoR, regardless of the consequences (war, violence, bloodshed). Am I right?

As an athiest... kristopher Oct 2016 #1
It's more than that. aranthus Oct 2016 #2
Good point. Giving up a nation's sovereignty peacefully is absurd & unheard of. shira Oct 2016 #17
I'm opposed to Zionism because I'm against all forms of nationalism that promote ethnic superiority Little Tich Oct 2016 #3
What's racist is actively opposing Jewish nationalism & no other. n/t shira Oct 2016 #5
What's racist is that your dissolving of the Jewish state leads to dead Jews. shira Oct 2016 #16
London's Ultra Orthodox Jews run daily gauntlet of anti-Semitic abuse shira Oct 2016 #25
I don't like the thought of Jewish people having to keep a packed suitcase under their beds, just in Little Tich Oct 2016 #26
You don't like the thought but that's the situation you prefer for Israeli Jews. shira Oct 2016 #27
Maybe I shouldn't do this, but... Little Tich Oct 2016 #4
What do u disagree with? You know what antisemitism is while no one else does? n/t shira Oct 2016 #6
The "new" definition of anti-Semitism that includes criticism of Israel as a form of anti-Semitism Little Tich Oct 2016 #7
You're a self-appointed expert on racism. Everyone else is dumb... shira Oct 2016 #8
I don't think that my views on what constitutes racism differs from the average person Little Tich Oct 2016 #9
I used your definition to prove writings from Mondoweiss & Gideon Levy.... shira Oct 2016 #10
You have only proved to yourself that those writings were racist. Little Tich Oct 2016 #11
I used your criteria & proved it, but let's compare. Here's Gideon Levy... shira Oct 2016 #12
I challenge you to find someone at JPost more racist & vile than Gideon Levy. shira Oct 2016 #13
In addition to Caroline Glick at the Jerusalem Post, I'll provide an example from the Israeli Minist Little Tich Oct 2016 #14
Not to defend Glick, but how is this at all racist? aranthus Oct 2016 #20
For defining racism, I'll just go with "feelings of antipathy towards an ethnic group"... Little Tich Oct 2016 #21
For defining racism I go with a dictionary. aranthus Oct 2016 #22
Your definition that racism only includes racial groups is too narrow in scope and completely Little Tich Oct 2016 #23
It's the dictionary's definition, not mine. aranthus Oct 2016 #24
Before I respond to your examples, do we agree Gideon Levy is racist? shira Oct 2016 #15
Oops, seems like I forgot about Gideon Levy. Little Tich Oct 2016 #18
How is Glick worse than Levy? Explain by comparison please. n/t shira Oct 2016 #19
Rabbi Sacks on Antizionism = Antisemitism... shira Oct 2016 #28
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