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21. But I completely agree with him shira ......
Tue Oct 18, 2016, 02:29 AM
Oct 2016
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29020.htm

That is quite logical, since the settlers now play a pivotal role in the conflict. It is they who prevent any peace agreement, or even meaningful peace negotiations.

It is quite simple: any peace between Israel and the Palestinian people will necessarily be based on ceding the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip to the future State of Palestine. A world-wide consensus on this is now in place. The only question is where exactly the border will run, since there is also a consensus about minor mutually agreed swaps of territory.

This means that peace would necessarily entail the removal of a large number of settlements and the evacuation of the settlers throughout the West Bank.

The Settlers and their allies dominate the present Israeli government coalition. They object to giving up even one square inch of occupied territory of the country God has promised us. (Even settlers who do not believe in God do believe that God has promised us the land.) Because of this, there are no peace negotiations, no freeze on building activities in the settlements, no move of any kind towards peace.

The settlers went to their locations in the West Bank specifically for this purpose: to create “facts on the ground” that would prevent any possibility of the establishment of a viable Palestinian state. Therefore it is quite immaterial whether it is the settlers who prevent the return of the occupied territories for peace, or whether the government uses the settlers for this purpose. It comes to the same: the settlers block any peace effort.

As the Americans would put it: It’s the settlers, stupid.


You can love the settlers or hate them, oppose them or embrace them as much as you like – the fact remains that the settlements are by far the main obstacle to peace and the welfare state. Not just because of their cost, not just because of the pogroms their inhabitants carry out from time to time, not just because of the way they dominate the political system. But because of their very existence.
It is pretty scary oberliner Oct 2016 #1
Not unexpected though.. King_David Oct 2016 #2
Lots of things go into that. Igel Oct 2016 #7
Israel? The resolution has nothing to do with Israel. Little Tich Oct 2016 #3
The Western Wall is not under Israeli control? oberliner Oct 2016 #4
LOL King_David Oct 2016 #5
Let's look at a map to see where the border is... Little Tich Oct 2016 #10
you realize that sabbat hunter Oct 2016 #30
If you think that holding a Bar mitzvah at the Wall was your religious right Little Tich Oct 2016 #31
I think that sabbat hunter Oct 2016 #32
Agreed. n/t shira Oct 2016 #34
What if there are Palestinians who don't want to be Israelis? aranthus Oct 2016 #35
I think that East Jerusalemites should have their applications made with the same ease as for every Little Tich Oct 2016 #37
I agree about automatically granting a citizenship application.. aranthus Oct 2016 #38
It's good that we agree. n/t Little Tich Oct 2016 #41
It's the Jews' holiest site on earth, so of course it's our religious right. shira Oct 2016 #33
The Western Wall isn't the only holy place in Jerusalem. Little Tich Oct 2016 #36
You're complaining about Palestinian access to holy sites when...... shira Oct 2016 #39
No Palestinian is above suspicion, and therefore always a security risk? Little Tich Oct 2016 #40
Denying any security threat whatsoever against Jews is vile. shira Oct 2016 #42
Please show us sabbat hunter Oct 2016 #6
The annexation of Eastern Jerusalem was was determined to be "null and void" by the United Nations Little Tich Oct 2016 #8
So what? aranthus Oct 2016 #9
Yes, why indeed and on DU to boot... n/t Little Tich Oct 2016 #11
Clinton said more or less the same thing King_David Oct 2016 #12
Perhaps you should ask her if Jerusalem is the capital of israel? Little Tich Oct 2016 #13
Pivot King_David Oct 2016 #18
So no answer. aranthus Oct 2016 #16
You shouldn't care leftynyc Oct 2016 #23
Saudi Arabia on the Human Rights Council awoke_in_2003 Oct 2016 #26
Well said.(nt) leftynyc Oct 2016 #27
Always look for a solution Little Tich Israeli Oct 2016 #15
Your friend Tich sees no way 2 states could work due to settlements. shira Oct 2016 #17
But I completely agree with him shira ...... Israeli Oct 2016 #21
So why advocate for 2 states when you think it's impossible now? shira Oct 2016 #22
I truly dont believe in a one state solution shira .... Israeli Oct 2016 #24
So what are you advocating if not 2 states? n/t shira Oct 2016 #25
Gush Shalom has always advocated for two states shira ... Israeli Oct 2016 #28
So you believe, unlike Tich, there can be 2 states. I agree with you too... shira Oct 2016 #29
With regard to ..... Israeli Oct 2016 #43
Anything that provides equal rights is good enough for me. Little Tich Oct 2016 #20
With regard to ..... Israeli Oct 2016 #44
The current status quo can't stay forever - peace will eventually break out, one way or the other. Little Tich Oct 2016 #45
Good for hillary leftynyc Oct 2016 #14
+1 King_David Oct 2016 #19
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