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Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
36. The Western Wall isn't the only holy place in Jerusalem.
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 10:06 PM
Oct 2016

For Christians and Muslims, the problem is restricted access to other holy places, especially during holidays, but also Jerusalem in general. For example, Palestinian Christians outside Jerusalem can't enter Jerusalem during Easter, and recently, 83.000 Palestinians had their permits to enter Jerusalem during Ramadan revoked. Christian Palestinians are emigrating due to Israeli restrictions, which is probably what Israel wants.

It may be crazy talk, but I would like that Jerusalem was a city where all religions were treated equally.


After deadly Tel Aviv attack, Israel suspends Palestinian permits
Source: Reuters, Jun 9, 2016

The Israeli military on Thursday revoked permits for 83,000 Palestinians to visit Israel and said it would send hundreds more troops to the occupied West Bank after a Palestinian gun attack that killed four Israelis in Tel Aviv.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-palestinians-shooting-idUSKCN0YU2F1

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2015 Report on International Religious Freedom: Israel and The Occupied Territories - The Occupied Territories
Source: US Department of State, August 10, 2016
(snip)
The Israeli government continued to limit access to a number of key religious sites, including the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount, which saw an unprecedented eight-week long restriction on access for some Muslims beginning in August, as well as the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, the Ibrahimi Mosque/Tomb of the Patriarchs in Hebron, and Rachel’s Tomb. In addition, travel restrictions, such as limits on travel between the West Bank and Jerusalem for Yom Kippur, and further construction of the separation barrier impeded the ability of Muslims to enter Jerusalem and Christian clergy to reach churches to conduct services.


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The Israeli government imposed increased movement restrictions on Palestinians in the West Bank, September 23-24, during the Yom Kippur holiday. As in previous such closures, authorities prohibited West Bank residents including those who held Israeli-issued access permits, from entering Jerusalem or Israel, except those working for international organizations or in a humanitarian capacity.

The Israeli government announced it had increased the number of permits for Palestinians from the West Bank to access Jerusalem for religious holidays, but Palestinian Christian leaders said the Israeli government prevented many of these permits from being used in practice. For example, they stated Israel had granted permits to some but not all members of the same immediate family, including children, thereby discouraging the families – who refused to be separated – from traveling. In contrast to 2014, the Israeli government did not impose increased restrictions on Palestinian access to Jerusalem from the West Bank during Ramadan.

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The Israeli government continued building the separation barrier in areas north, east, and south of Jerusalem in the West Bank. Religious organizations providing education, health care, and other humanitarian relief and social services to Palestinians in and around East Jerusalem stated the barrier impeded their work. Clergy members stated the barriers and checkpoints impeded their movements between Jerusalem and West Bank churches and monasteries, as well as the movement of congregants between their homes and places of worship. For example, Christian leaders said the separation barrier hindered Bethlehem-area Christians from reaching the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem. They also said it made visits to Christian sites in Bethlehem difficult for Palestinian Christians who lived on the west side of the barrier. Foreign pilgrims and religious aid workers also reported difficulty or delays accessing Christian religious sites in the West Bank because of the barrier.


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The Israeli government continued to limit Arab Christian clergy serving in the West Bank or Jerusalem to single entry visas, which local parish leaders in the West Bank said complicated needed travel to areas under their pastoral authority outside the West Bank or Jerusalem (such as Jordan). Clergy, nuns, and other religious workers from Arab countries said they continued to face long delays before they received visas, and reported periodic denials of their visa applications. The Israeli government stated visa delays or denials were due to security processing.

Israel continued to prohibit some Arab Christian clergy from entering Gaza, including bishops and other senior clergy seeking to visit congregations or ministries under their pastoral authority.

According to church leaders and lay Palestinians, a combination of factors continued to provide the impetus for increased Christian emigration from Jerusalem and the West Bank, including the limited ability of Christian communities in the Jerusalem area to expand due to building restrictions; the difficulties Christian clergy experienced in obtaining Israeli visas and residency permits; Israeli government family reunification restrictions; taxation problems; and economic hardship created by Israeli-imposed travel restrictions.


Read more: http://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/irf/2015/nea/256271.htm
It is pretty scary oberliner Oct 2016 #1
Not unexpected though.. King_David Oct 2016 #2
Lots of things go into that. Igel Oct 2016 #7
Israel? The resolution has nothing to do with Israel. Little Tich Oct 2016 #3
The Western Wall is not under Israeli control? oberliner Oct 2016 #4
LOL King_David Oct 2016 #5
Let's look at a map to see where the border is... Little Tich Oct 2016 #10
you realize that sabbat hunter Oct 2016 #30
If you think that holding a Bar mitzvah at the Wall was your religious right Little Tich Oct 2016 #31
I think that sabbat hunter Oct 2016 #32
Agreed. n/t shira Oct 2016 #34
What if there are Palestinians who don't want to be Israelis? aranthus Oct 2016 #35
I think that East Jerusalemites should have their applications made with the same ease as for every Little Tich Oct 2016 #37
I agree about automatically granting a citizenship application.. aranthus Oct 2016 #38
It's good that we agree. n/t Little Tich Oct 2016 #41
It's the Jews' holiest site on earth, so of course it's our religious right. shira Oct 2016 #33
The Western Wall isn't the only holy place in Jerusalem. Little Tich Oct 2016 #36
You're complaining about Palestinian access to holy sites when...... shira Oct 2016 #39
No Palestinian is above suspicion, and therefore always a security risk? Little Tich Oct 2016 #40
Denying any security threat whatsoever against Jews is vile. shira Oct 2016 #42
Please show us sabbat hunter Oct 2016 #6
The annexation of Eastern Jerusalem was was determined to be "null and void" by the United Nations Little Tich Oct 2016 #8
So what? aranthus Oct 2016 #9
Yes, why indeed and on DU to boot... n/t Little Tich Oct 2016 #11
Clinton said more or less the same thing King_David Oct 2016 #12
Perhaps you should ask her if Jerusalem is the capital of israel? Little Tich Oct 2016 #13
Pivot King_David Oct 2016 #18
So no answer. aranthus Oct 2016 #16
You shouldn't care leftynyc Oct 2016 #23
Saudi Arabia on the Human Rights Council awoke_in_2003 Oct 2016 #26
Well said.(nt) leftynyc Oct 2016 #27
Always look for a solution Little Tich Israeli Oct 2016 #15
Your friend Tich sees no way 2 states could work due to settlements. shira Oct 2016 #17
But I completely agree with him shira ...... Israeli Oct 2016 #21
So why advocate for 2 states when you think it's impossible now? shira Oct 2016 #22
I truly dont believe in a one state solution shira .... Israeli Oct 2016 #24
So what are you advocating if not 2 states? n/t shira Oct 2016 #25
Gush Shalom has always advocated for two states shira ... Israeli Oct 2016 #28
So you believe, unlike Tich, there can be 2 states. I agree with you too... shira Oct 2016 #29
With regard to ..... Israeli Oct 2016 #43
Anything that provides equal rights is good enough for me. Little Tich Oct 2016 #20
With regard to ..... Israeli Oct 2016 #44
The current status quo can't stay forever - peace will eventually break out, one way or the other. Little Tich Oct 2016 #45
Good for hillary leftynyc Oct 2016 #14
+1 King_David Oct 2016 #19
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